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Old October 28th, 2006, 03:51 PM
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Viewing panes in PSE 5 & 4 Moir'e

Recently while working on a photo of a two story brick house that filled the frame I noticed a terrible Moir'e maze effect in the brick when viewing full screen in the editor. I had the photo saved as a .psd, .tif, & .jpg so started comparing them all. The psd & tif was created from an original jpg from my camera & are both equal in size & dpi. The jpg was downsized in size & dpi using the tif file. Both the psd & tif showed this pattern when viewing in editor at full screen but the jpg did not. I then went back to the organizer & viewed the psd & tif files side by side using F12, & both photos showed the pattern. When I compared the jpg the same way it did not show the pattern. Then I viewed all three usin F11 to view full screen & none of them showed the pattern. Thought this might be a problem with just PSE 5 so I went to PSE 4 & did the same comparrison with the same results. I did some enhancement on these photos & don't remember seeing any Moir'e during this process. I used two other viewers & never saw this problem & the one program looked at the tif stepping thru different percentages & didnt see the pattern. Not sure this is a real problem or not, I started using PSE 4 as soon as it came out whenever that was & just upgraded to 5. I print out a lot of my photos with an epson stylus photo 870 with great results. I might have seen this prior in house photos with the rooves showing the pattern but never paid too much attention to it. I would think the photos should appear the same in all three different viewing panes. Any thoughts or ideas on this would be appreciated. Don
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Old October 28th, 2006, 04:23 PM
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Hi Don ...

This is something that changes when you see it at different viewing settings. I could be that you saw some at say 50% and maybe another at 60% that could account for the difference ...

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Recently while working on a photo of a two story brick house that filled the frame I noticed a terrible Moir'e maze effect in the brick when viewing full screen in the editor. I had the photo saved as a .psd, .tif, & .jpg so started comparing them all. The psd & tif was created from an original jpg from my camera & are both equal in size & dpi. The jpg was downsized in size & dpi using the tif file. Both the psd & tif showed this pattern when viewing in editor at full screen but the jpg did not. I then went back to the organizer & viewed the psd & tif files side by side using F12, & both photos showed the pattern. When I compared the jpg the same way it did not show the pattern. Then I viewed all three usin F11 to view full screen & none of them showed the pattern. Thought this might be a problem with just PSE 5 so I went to PSE 4 & did the same comparrison with the same results. I did some enhancement on these photos & don't remember seeing any Moir'e during this process. I used two other viewers & never saw this problem & the one program looked at the tif stepping thru different percentages & didnt see the pattern. Not sure this is a real problem or not, I started using PSE 4 as soon as it came out whenever that was & just upgraded to 5. I print out a lot of my photos with an epson stylus photo 870 with great results. I might have seen this prior in house photos with the rooves showing the pattern but never paid too much attention to it. I would think the photos should appear the same in all three different viewing panes. Any thoughts or ideas on this would be appreciated. Don
Thanks Wendy & Jo, It is a matter of what percent I view at like I see at at 33% & 66% but not at 50% & 100%. I don't think it is a PC or monitor problem but a problem with PSE. I can take the same photo into PSP 9 & step thru 20% to 120% & never see the moir'e & also look at it in two other viewers & never see the moir'e. This has never seemed to cause me a problem in the past & the photo printed out ok & not a reason to use PSP. I have used PSE from ver 3 to 5 & used to go back to PSP once in awhile in ver 3 but not after ver 4. However I would like to be able to see the same results at all percentages. If PSP can do it then PSE should be able to do it. Thanks again Don
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Recently while working on a photo of a two story brick house that filled the frame I noticed a terrible Moir'e maze effect in the brick when viewing full screen in the editor. I had the photo saved as a .psd, .tif, & .jpg so started comparing them all. The psd & tif was created from an original jpg from my camera & are both equal in size & dpi. The jpg was downsized in size & dpi using the tif file. Both the psd & tif showed this pattern when viewing in editor at full screen but the jpg did not. I then went back to the organizer & viewed the psd & tif files side by side using F12, & both photos showed the pattern. When I compared the jpg the same way it did not show the pattern. Then I viewed all three usin F11 to view full screen & none of them showed the pattern. Thought this might be a problem with just PSE 5 so I went to PSE 4 & did the same comparrison with the same results. I did some enhancement on these photos & don't remember seeing any Moir'e during this process. I used two other viewers & never saw this problem & the one program looked at the tif stepping thru different percentages & didnt see the pattern. Not sure this is a real problem or not, I started using PSE 4 as soon as it came out whenever that was & just upgraded to 5. I print out a lot of my photos with an epson stylus photo 870 with great results. I might have seen this prior in house photos with the rooves showing the pattern but never paid too much attention to it. I would think the photos should appear the same in all three different viewing panes. Any thoughts or ideas on this would be appreciated. Don
Thanks Wendy & Jo, It is a matter of what percent I view at like I see at at 33% & 66% but not at 50% & 100%. I don't think it is a PC or monitor problem but a problem with PSE. I can take the same photo into PSP 9 & step thru 20% to 120% & never see the moir'e & also look at it in two other viewers & never see the moir'e. This has never seemed to cause me a problem in the past & the photo printed out ok & not a reason to use PSP. I have used PSE from ver 3 to 5 & used to go back to PSP once in awhile in ver 3 but not after ver 4. However I would like to be able to see the same results at all percentages. If PSP can do it then PSE should be able to do it. Thanks again Don
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Hi Don ...

Glad that you have sorted out what it is ... moire actually happens on all monitors and in any program, its just a combination of the viewing percentage, specific lines in images and how your monitor deals with it. It really isn't anything at all to do with Elements

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