My Camera Can Beat Up Your Camera

[Grant]

Well Flicker has been mining EXIF data and here are the results ....

http://flagrantdisregard.com/flickr/topcameras.php

Basically 20D/D70 swapping first place from time to time.

For those that don't know about Flicker this is how they see themselves.

"Flickr is the best way to store, sort, search and share your photos online. There is a huge mass of photos in the world, and Flickr provides a way to organize yours, and for you and your friends and family to tell your stories about them."

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[Carbone]

I especially like the second stats, top manufacturers.. not that I would be tempted to brag about Canon.. again... ;)

Ray

[Grant]

Not to burst you bubble ... as it could be because they are good or maybe it is just that they market many more camera models than any other Camera Manufacture.

[Carbone]

Well.. there could be 1 billion Ferrari for sale each year, at 500,000 U$, it wouldn't find more customers I'm afraid.. ;)

So the fact the Canon makes more camera probably has more to do with demand.

Ray

[Grant]

Or marketing!

When it comes to cameras cheap sells.

In Canada Nikon sells only seven cameras under $500 and no cameras under $350.

On the other hand Canon sells twenty cameras under $500 and of those they sell eight under $350.

[Jodi Frye]

Oh boy...here we go again :) I like my Fuji

[NMarti]

I just think it's pretty impressive that I own 2 of the top 5 cameras (although they don't say which Cybershot).

Nikon or Canon or Sony aside it proves that more people are buying good cameras because they are increasingly more conscious of image quality.

[kevq]

Hi,
I thought it was the photographer who made the shot, the camera is just a tool. Sure some have more refinements than others but in the end it's the person behind the camera who matters, especially if he/she is good with Elements.
Kev.

[Carbone]

Just in case someone would misundertand us, Grant and I aren't actually fighting or flaming each other. It's an old thing we have for our favourite camera brand.

---> :D <---

That said, Grant, Canon fills a market segment where there is a demand (non expensive good quality cameras). Nikon doesn't. That's what I call demand.

Ray

[karen donnybrook]

Just in case someone would misundertand us, Grant and I aren't actually fighting or flaming each other. It's an old thing we have for our favourite camera brand' Ray

I am glad you clarified that Ray because some of the newer forum members could get the wrong idea :D

Kev, I agree with you, the camera is just a tool and it is the operator that makes a difference. :)

[Jodi Frye]

I agree with Kev too....just because ya got money doesn't mean ya got talent :p ...this statement of course has absolutely nothing to do with original post and those involved...please be seriously advised of that.

[Carbone]

Money can't buy talent, that is for sure. But without the right tools, it's sometimes complicated or impossible to perform.

Just take, for example, the cheapest of the Canon, the A410.. it doesn't have a Manual mode. We all know how Manual is a necessity if you want to do nice and outstanding pictures (it's been discussed on these fine boards at lenght). In this case, 20$ more will get a Canon with manual mode.

More money.

Then, comes RAW.. RAW isn't available on every Canon camera, it is for camera sold at a certain price. And all here will agree as to how RAW is so important (or crucial) to acheiving the perfect picture, in Elements. Grant posted something to that effect a couple of weeks ago, if I recall correctly. So, once again, money will get you the good tools.

Money can't buy talent or creativity, but it'll open the doors if you desire to step in. Because good tools comes with a price, unfortunately.

Ray

[NMarti]

Well - Ray said it the way I meant it. You can have all the talent in the world and if you don't have good equipment - you will not have high quality images. Therefore - people are opting for higher end cameras to give them the features to allow them to get those high quality images. You can take a good picture with a middle of the road camera but you can get so much more with a higher end with manual features. I think Grant's exercise a few weeks ago proved that manual overrides produce higher quality images than auto - something that is not availble on all cameras.

[bnk1953]

I think I might go dig my old kodak brownie out and see if that still works - of course I don't fit in w/ the big boys since i'm only using (or trying to use) an old fuji S602z and Konica/Minolta5D (which the Konica/Minolta are giving to Sony) - so let the Canon/Nikon people brag - I'm going out to capture some images :-)
~bruce

[tfry]

Well I don't own the top rated cameras but both of mine place and I'm happy with them, so to me they are tops:)

Nikon D50 (my dream camera) and a Nikon Coolpix S3 very nice little camera:)

I had a Konica/Minolta Z10 I think it was and I was perfectly happy with it till it got stolen, so started my Nikon crusade, I went back and looked at some of my Konica/Minolta pics the other day and thought hrm..somehow they don't look as good now as they did then compared to my D50 but for the money it was a great little camera, and to whomever stole it I hope it bites them everytime they try to use it:p

[Carbone]

Just a short note.. I also have a very inexpensive Powershot A510 which I carry everywhere with me (I'm always ready for a good shot!). It uses SD card and it's very lightweight and the picture quality at ISO 50 and 100 especially is quite something!

Ray

[dpw9272]

i thought the rebelxt and 350D were the same camera just different names depending on where its shipped?

[Carbone]

You're right. In North-America, it's known as the Rebel XT and in Europe, it's 350D. I think in Japan it's Kiss something (Kiss XT)

Ray

[Grant]

And all here will agree as to how RAW is so important (or crucial) to acheiving the perfect picture, in Elements. Grant posted something to that effect a couple of weeks ago, if I recall correctly.

Ray

I don't remember posting anything like, but if I did I apologize for making such a statement.

I am also sorry on the direction my original post is taking. I never intended the link to be any more than an interesting bit of fluff. I never intended it to endorse or bash any camera, model or manufacturer.

[Carbone]

Grant, I could be wrong, but I believe you did post something about RAW, like you did some testing and ended up using RAW because it was more flexible..

In any case, I'm sorry to have mis quoted you.

Ray

[Grant]

Ray

No need to apologize to a friend ...

Yes I am doing an ongoing test with RAW. Yes it is much more flexible than JPG. It may or may not be important to shooting a perfect "negative" but it is not *crucial*. A well exposed image is what is crucial and to this end a RAW file will allow you more leeway in achieving this goal. In the hands of a good photographer it can be an excellent tool in the hands of a sloppy photographer RAW can institutionalize mediocre photography.

[w7vp]

As with everything, moderation is the key. Yes basic talent is essential. Nothing in a camera will replace basic shot composition (although fixing shot composition has become much easier using software).

Still for many shots auto mode is just fine. I still do not know all of the features of my new 20D.

But isn't it nice to be able to shoot in aperture priority mode when you want depth of field or in Shutter priority mode when you want action shots? And the newer cameras let you change the settings on the fly.

Some of my best shots were taken with a Pentax Spotmatic II which was a match needle system. That certainly forced the issue on settings. But the flexibility that came with the Canon A1 was amazing.

So I agree with Nancy. It really is a combination of the two elements - talent and equipment.

Now if I could jest get out of here and use it a bit more!;)

Bill

[virgo1]

We got the talent, we got the tools, and some of us have more time than others. The Spring Equinox is in 3 weeks. It can't go anywhere else but up.
Eva:D

[Carbone]

Eva... AMEN TO THAT!

Each year, I do something special for the summer solstice (I don't know if it's the right word in English, the longest day of the year, in terms of sunlight). I do like summer (and despise winter..) :)

Ray

[gez]

I remember from years ago, a slogan, "you're only as good as your equipment." Someone who fully knows what they are doing will push any equipment to its limits. So, equipment can be a limitation. But only if you can use it to its limits. Put me in the fastest car in the F1 circuit.......I ain't gonna win.

[Jodi Frye]

Same as a dog sled team...they are only as fast as the slowest dog. Now that's a racers challenge !

[virgo1]

Ray,
You got the summer solstice. And between the equinox and the solstice is Beltane, May 1st. Lets not stop there, the 2nd of August is Lamas followed by the atumnal equinox. Lots of reasons celebrate.:D
Eva;)

[Carbone]

Eva.. I am really curious.. what are all those other special seasonal days? Like the equinox is when the earth if the further away from the sun and the solstice is the opposite, but what are those others for..?? You've tickled my curiosity even more now !!

Ray

[virgo1]

Ray,
They are called the Cross Quarter Days and are anceint Holidays along with Halloween and Imbolc, 2nd February.:)
Eva;)