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Grant
January 24th, 2006, 05:32 PM
As I mentioned to Chuck I have decide to give raw a try.

Being an old film photographer and realizing digital is more like slide than negative film I expose for the highlight and print for the shadows. So the following "test" is based on this method of exposure.

What I am now going is shooting all my images in RAW and JPG, my camera allows for this option. I then import all my image using ACDSee. I have my have ACDSee set up so that all images are viewed with the JPG on the left side of the screen and the RAW on the right therefore I can then scroll throw them very quickly. So far all images come out of the camera look much better in JPG. In fact all images in RAW appear almost 2/3 of a stop under exposed.

Next I tried all my skills to get the best possible image from JPG and then RAW. When I did all that I could with a combination of RAW file manipulation then fine tuning with Adobe I could get better images using RAW. I should point out that all images looked good, but the RAW ones looked better. How much better? I suspect you would have to do an A/B test to be able to pick out one over the other. RAW did shine with images that had extremes.

Now for the conclusion on this part of the exercise. The final image can be better if you use RAW. The amount of time to do this for each image is considerable. The amount of knowledge to get this image is also considerable but the same can be said of a good image from JPG. The most striking differences were when you had a very wide dynamic range i.e. a bride's white dress against a man's black tuxedo, RAW was better. For well exposed images with less dynamic ranges there seems to be less need to use RAW. So when should you use RAW? If you have to ask this question you are probably better off sticking with JPG. If you are really comfortable in making proper exposures and have a working knowledgeable with getting the most out of your image with programs like Elements or Photoshop then consider RAW for your most crucial images.

Grant

Jodi Frye
January 24th, 2006, 06:28 PM
hmmm Grant, now you have me curious. I'm going to have to do my own comparison testing...but I don't have acdsee for side by side...please send me a copy.

Chuck,...you are next ?

Carbone
January 24th, 2006, 07:18 PM
Grant,

I came to the same conclusion. It's a matter of finding a balance between the time to do all the extra work with RAW and the need for the perfect image. For casual photography, JPEG is more than enough. When I am to take complicated shots, RAW will be my choice.

Ray

kerriann85
January 24th, 2006, 07:36 PM
I'll admit, after the 'use RAW challenge' I did shoot older son's Cub Scouts Pine Wood Derby night in RAW. Then I came home with a bunch of snapshots that had to be opened, I had to try and decide what I wanted it to look like, then futz with it, then resave it......

For younger son's Derby I went back to shooting raw. Had to adjust each for color (shoulda done custom white balance I suppose) and levels. Then I was finished.

I tried you guys, really I did!

I dunno......maybe I just need a different converter? Maybe I just need a more important subject to use raw? Maybe if I had to use a raw workflow at work it would come naturally. As it is my professional boss shoots jpg with his Fufi S3 (known for having awesome color and dynamic range if little else) and there's just one less step I have to deal with.

Carbone
January 24th, 2006, 07:59 PM
I don't know the Adobe RAW converter a lot, but with my current one (Capture One SE), I can copy the adjustment (all or certains) from one picture to a bunch of pictures. That is, for example, if I shoot in studio and the white balance didn't change, than I adjust one, and copy over the other. It speeds things a lot!

Ray

George Favale
January 25th, 2006, 06:46 AM
Grant,

I liked your test of Raw vs JPEG. I also find in organizer the RAW pictures are 2/3 underexposed, but once I go to the editor this is corrected.

I currently shoot almost 100% in RAW. My main reason is I have the base settings that I can manipulate anytime in the future, which you do not have with JPEG. The only drawback is a little more disk space which to me is a fair trade off for having RAW pictures for future work.

I ran into a National Geographic photographer several months ago and his strong advice to me was: Shoot RAW, Shoot Manual..... and ever since that is what I try and do.........

Ric Cisson
January 26th, 2006, 12:53 AM
I have been shooting RAW exclusively, and I do not mind the time and effort to process the RAW Files. I find I am able to save much detail in the shadow areas of the images, more so than shooting with JPEG. Additionally, I save any unprocessed RAW files on external hard drives and I even save from time to time in Adobe's DNG file format. Except for sharing with friends, JPEG's are a rarity here.:cool: