4x3 imported into Premiere Elements 7.0 instead of 16x9

[NBK]

Hi,

I have a Canon Vixia HV30 Camcorder. I have it set to record in HDV24 and to downconvert to WideScreen SD.
The first frame or clip of each tape i use imported into Premiere Elements 7.0 as 4x3 video instead of 16x9 video. The subsequent frames or clips are imported into Premiere Elements 7.0 as 16x9 video/frames...I am using Windows XP Pro SP3.

The only work around i have found is to shoot a one second frame first and then delete it in Premiere Elements when i import the tape...

Thanks
NBK

[ATR]

Have you determined if this event occurs only with HDV24 shooting with subsequent down conversion to widescreen SD in camera? Are you still capturing using HDVsplit or WinDV and then bringing the video clips into Premiere Elements Timeline via its Get Media/Files & Folders?


I am assuming that you are using Premiere Elements with a project preset of PAL DV Widescreen.

Your workaround may very well be the answer. But, have you tried to use the Interpret Footage feature on the video? I will go into further details if you have not used that before.

I have not dealt with shooting HDV24 and bringing the camera downconverted version to the Premiere Elements Timeline. Is the 16:9 footage that is on the Premiere Elements Timeline of acceptable quality?
http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=25703



I am not sure what is happening in the Canon. You have recorded HDV24. In the downconversion to Widescreen SD in camera, I have not found out if:
a. it is a straight downconversion HDV to Widescreen SD and this 3/2 pull down is done there before the video leaves the camera or afterwards in the process of importing the video to the Premiere Elements Timeline.
http://www.zerocut.com/tech/pulldown.html

Right now, it looks like the 3/2 pull down addresses the 24 to 30 fps, not the frame size.


Please let me know how you do with the Interpret Footage business.



ATR

[NBK]

Hi ATR,

I am using NTSC DV Widescreen preset in in Premiere Elements 7.0 since i am in the USA. I am capturing with Windows Movie Maker now and using the 'Get Media Files & Folders' to bring the video into Premiere Elements.

How does one use the 'Interpret Footage' command?

The 16x9 footage looks good...

The downconversion is done in the HV30. I am still not sure what this 3/2 PUlldown is. I have read about it over at hv20.com

I will try the other HDV NTSC presets on the HV30 to see what happens.

NBK

[ATR]

NBK

First, recheck so that the downconverted format matches the project preset of Premiere Elements 7.

I realize that the issue is just with the beginning frame, but maybe the Interpret Footage would do the job for that without messing up any of the 16:9 footage that arrived on the Timeline successfully.

When your video is on the Timeline, you should have a copy in the Project View Media....

Edit Tab (Orange)
Project Tab below it (Black)
You are now in Project View Media where you will see your video file
Right click the video file, and from the menu that appears select Interpret Footage.
When the Interpret Footage dialog opens, dot the "Conform to:" and set that for:
D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16:9 (1.2)
Click OK and see if that has any impact on the situation.

I will be watching for your results.

ATR

[NBK]

NBK

First, recheck so that the downconverted format matches the project preset of Premiere Elements 7.

I realize that the issue is just with the beginning frame, but maybe the Interpret Footage would do the job for that without messing up any of the 16:9 footage that arrived on the Timeline successfully.

When your video is on the Timeline, you should have a copy in the Project View Media....

Edit Tab (Orange)
Project Tab below it (Black)
You are now in Project View Media where you will see your video file
Right click the video file, and from the menu that appears select Interpret Footage.
When the Interpret Footage dialog opens, dot the "Conform to:" and set that for:
D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16:9 (1.2)
Click OK and see if that has any impact on the situation.

I will be watching for your results.

ATR

Thanks for responding ATR,

It did have an impact. It made all objects wider.

Thanks
NBK

[ATR]

NBK

How is it going? When you said that Interpret Footage made everything wider, did it make the whole thing look wider to the same degree or did the beginning frame look wider than the widened 16:9 that was good before?

I have been trying to find some reports of HDV24 down conversion in the Canon, but have not found anything the meets your issue head on. Have you tried to discuss this matter with Canon?

Typically, for HDV30 to DV down conversion, the majority of the votes go to in camera rather than in Premiere Elements for quality reasons. But, I wonder, if you could capture HDV24 and then bring that into Premiere Elements NTSC DV Widescreen, what would that look like on the Premiere Elements Timeline and how would Premiere Elements handle the downsizing there to DVD-VIDEO NTSC DV Widescreen?

I am only speculating, but I suspect that the 3/2 pull down conversion (24 to 30 fps) is involved. SB may have something in that blended frame business. But...

Your workaround is looking better to me everyday. But I will continue to watch out for any information that might shed some light on this strange happening.

ATR

[NBK]

NBK

How is it going? When you said that Interpret Footage made everything wider, did it make the whole thing look wider to the same degree or did the beginning frame look wider than the widened 16:9 that was good before?

I have been trying to find some reports of HDV24 down conversion in the Canon, but have not found anything the meets your issue head on. Have you tried to discuss this matter with Canon?

Typically, for HDV30 to DV down conversion, the majority of the votes go to in camera rather than in Premiere Elements for quality reasons. But, I wonder, if you could capture HDV24 and then bring that into Premiere Elements NTSC DV Widescreen, what would that look like on the Premiere Elements Timeline and how would Premiere Elements handle the downsizing there to DVD-VIDEO NTSC DV Widescreen?

I am only speculating, but I suspect that the 3/2 pull down conversion (24 to 30 fps) is involved. SB may have something in that blended frame business. But...

Your workaround is looking better to me everyday. But I will continue to watch out for any information that might shed some light on this strange happening.



ATR

HI ATR,

Canon blames Premiere Elements and WinDV. I am not sure. I think something is wrong with my Canon Vixia HV30.

I did use Premiere Elements' NTSC DV Widescreen preset to import the video and the first clip is always 4x3.

I will have to remember to use this workaround.

Thanks,
NBK

[NBK]

Hi ATR,

I solved the 'no capture using Premiere Elements' with research. Someone over at Adobe forums uninstalled Morgan Streamer...and i was able to capture using Premiere Elements.

I used 'Windows Movie Maker' to capture WS NTSC DV and the first clip was 16x9 and when i imported into Premiere Elements, it stayed 16x9!!!

Thanks
NBK

[ATR]

NBK

Thanks for the important feedback.

I solved the 'no capture using Premiere Elements' with research. Someone over at Adobe forums uninstalled Morgan Streamer...and i was able to capture using Premiere Elements.

Are you saying that, if you shot HD 1080i30 with your Canon, you can now capture it firewire directly into Premiere Elements, and this was possible because you removed the Morgan Streamer? Further, it is now possible to shot HD 1080i30/downconvert to Widescreen NTSC DV in camera and then use capture it firewire directly into Premiere Elements?

Your original question started out with HDV 24, downconverting that in camera to Widescreen DV and then bringing that into Premiere Elements via Get Media/Files & Folders and getting the 4:3 initial frame issue. How does that factor into your report?

I used 'Windows Movie Maker' to capture WS NTSC DV and the first clip was 16x9 and when i imported into Premiere Elements, it stayed 16x9!!!

Will you continue capturing HDV 30fps and HDV 24 fps into Windows Movie Maker, followed by bringing the captured clips into Premiere Elements Get Media/Files & Folders?

I just need to focus on some of your details.

Thanks again. I am traveling right now, so, if you get the time, could you post the link to the Morgan Streaker citation? If not, I will try to find it as soon as possible.

ATR

[NBK]

Hi ATR,

Here is where i found out about Morgan Multimedia Stream Switcher...

http://forums.adobe.com/message/1728624#1728624


Thanks
NBK

[ATR]

NBK

Thanks. I will check it out.

ATR

[NBK]

Hey ATR,

It is amazing that 'Morgan Multimedia Stream Switcher' caused all these problems...

Thanks,
NBK