Just proved myself the new Village idiot

[Danudin]

Not used to forums so I tried to link with a thread that appeared related obviously a faux pas, so I will try here!
Thanks I have just joined the Village and this is the first forum that I have partaken in, but I gleaned good advice from both the question and answers.

I have had PSE5 for some time but wasn't an orderly person to start with and have amassed a large number of images. I wanted to store my NEF (Raw) files separate from any that I had worked on and tried to order them in my own fashion.

Of course this failed but reading of PSE6's album made me think of using the collections in PSE5 instead of just the tags.

Can I aske for advice, or does that label me as the "Village Idiot"?

Ron

[Wendy]

Hi Ron ...

... and welcome to the Village :)

When you don't know something then asking for advice is always the best thing to do ... so do ask as many questions as you need to.

Being a Mac user (and we donl' have the Organiser in out version) I can't help on this one but I am sure that one of the Windows users will be along soon and will be able to help you :)

Wendy

[Aussie Nan]

Hi Ron,

No idiots in this village :):)! I don't use the organiser so can't help, but did just want to say welcome.

Toni

[Juergen D]

Ron,
Yes, it is a good idea to start a new thread for a specific question. The reason why you have not gotten any answers may be that we do not quite understand what you are asking (at least I don't :) ).

If you want certain files in a different location, you can move them there from within the Organizer.

Juergen

[Inspeqtor]

Hi Ron,

Welcome to the Village.

One thing you need to keep in mind when using the Organiser is this. Do NOT ever move or delete (erase) a picture using Windows (My Computer) because doing that the Organiser cannot then find it and has no idea what happened to it. If you need to move a picture or want to erase a picture, do that from the Organiser. This is a must. :)

[Danudin]

Ron,
Yes, it is a good idea to start a new thread for a specific question. The reason why you have not gotten any answers may be that we do not quite understand what you are asking (at least I don't :) ).

If you want certain files in a different location, you can move them there from within the Organizer.

Juergen
Sorry on the clarity, I only find it difficult to know how I should conduct my self in the forum as this is the first time I have EVER used one. So in detail my difficulty with PE% is self made through trying to do things without true understanding of how the program worked.

Organization of images. (Yes I did try to organize them as I had in windows and yes it caused big hassles - Lost some and ruined some which had to be ditched ) I now only work with images in the organizer.

Much like the forum unfamiliarity has led me to make further mistakes

I tried using files then attempted to accommodate tags and comments in order to sort/arrange I ended up with an ungodly mess that I am attempting to rectify.

In reading through the forum I saw mention of the Albums facet of PE6 and saw how it resembled what I had read in the PE5 user manual about collections. (But again I leapt without looking ended with another mess which hasn't yet become too big and I am willing to disregard it all and start again) I think this is the way to go but think some direction on methodology would help me a lot.

I have taken and intend to continue taking a lot of images that are basically grouped in two categories namely: Images (Jpeg) that I intend to print or share. and secondly Raw Photos (NEF I use a Nikon d70S DSLR)

Is it possible to store them separately or should I create a separate Jpeg and Raw catalogue and handle the collections that way too?
I want to eventually store the Raw files in external Hard Drives dedicated to background type shots that I can access for future compilations.
(Question without notice - On long trips sometimes I get rain drops on lenses/Whatever that show up on the raw images if I edit images to clear the blemishes I have learnt to save them as PSD PDD files in stacks with the raw file, is this the best method of ensuring that I am working with the best basic material or is there a better way?)

I have found that I can't work with the DSC **** filrnames and have decided to to name by locality then captions, tags then notes. Is this a viable method?


Thanks very much for the time it takes you to help, (If you can) and once I have this sorted I will most likely driven you crazy helping me grapple with the editing software.

Maybe after I have asked enough salient questions I can be promoted to "Town Clown" from Village Idiot and a hundred years from now maybe even "City Pity"

You Guys are great;

Ron

[Fernan]

Hi Ron. Welcome to the Forum.

[Juergen D]

Is it possible to store them separately or should I create a separate Jpeg and Raw catalogue and handle the collections that way too?
I want to eventually store the Raw files in external Hard Drives dedicated to background type shots that I can access for future compilations.

Ron,
The organizer is basically a catalog that keeps track of your pictures. You do not have to have them physically in separate folders to distinguish between RAWs and JPEGs. They can be, but don't have to be. You certainly do not need separate catalogs.
How are your pictures organized right now. Are they all cataloged in (imported into) the Organizer? About how many pictures do you have?

Juergen

[Danudin]

Ron,
The organizer is basically a catalog that keeps track of your pictures. You do not have to have them physically in separate folders to distinguish between RAWs and JPEGs. They can be, but don't have to be. You certainly do not need separate catalogs.
How are your pictures organized right now. Are they all cataloged in (imported into) the Organizer? About how many pictures do you have?

Juergen
Thanks Juergen,

Thanks sorry the terminology is something I am still grappling with, I have organized the catalogue, either by import date or event. I had a lot of imported by date, and the number became un-managable, so I pruned what I could do without then tried grouping by subject event etc. But not having inherent organizational genes it again became unweildy. Hence my search for a better way from those with "Tidy Genes"

I have been having some success with editing by trial and error and lots of reading, that doesn't work with organizing you just dig deeper holes from which to extricate yourself, hence my call for help.

I'm sure that one thing that you say will click with me and be my light at the end of the tunnel, so please put up with me until I learn the right way to ask questions, dealing with forums for the first time is daunting, as I hate to waste anyones time.

So thank you prolificately for you help.

Ron

PS I live in Australia so there may be a time delay, in comms Ta.

[Juergen D]

I am still a little unsure where you stand and where you want to go. Just for general understanding, I think this tutorial, which is contained in Organizer Help may be helpful:
Tutorial 1: Acquire and organize your photos

Essentially all your photos have to be imported and tagged. Once that is done they can be organized and/or grouped in any way you want.

Juergen

[Inspeqtor]

Juergen,

Did you want a link to the tutorial? If you did want that, it is not there. :confused:

[Juergen D]

No, Charles, I did not. All you have to in PSE5 is go to Organizer >Help >Tutorials. ;)

Juergen

[mschall]

Ron,
I love your sense of humor! From another newbie, I hope we "see" a lot of you around here!!

Mary Ellen

[Danudin]

I am still a little unsure where you stand and where you want to go. Just for general understanding, I think this tutorial, which is contained in Organizer Help may be helpful:
Tutorial 1: Acquire and organize your photos

Essentially all your photos have to be imported and tagged. Once that is done they can be organized and/or grouped in any way you want.

Juergen
Sorry I haven't been able to make my self understood Juergen, I just wrote a real long reply to this saying that it is disappointing not being able to make myself clear, but the forum timed out and logged me out and I lost it. Suffice it to say thanks I will muddle on on my own and get back if I find my own answer, and watch the posts from the background.
Sorry to have wasted your time

Ron

[chestnutmare]

Hi Ron,
I hope all is well. I have been struggling with trying to organize my photos. Which way is best, etc. I have found that I am setting up several catalogues within Organizer as this just helps me keep my photos at a manageable size-and that is what works for me.
I haven't even begun to think about separating my raw from jpegs. ah, another day....
I spent many agonizing hours trying to decide what would work best for me-as everyone is different and you need to find what makes sense to you. I did purchase Michael Slaters book on Organizing in PSE3. I have PSE6 but most of what he says still applies.
If you want to have a very organized system it does pay to put the time in now figuring it out. It's not fun but it will be the best in the long run.
Anyway I hope you get it all worked out.
Good luck,

[chestnutmare]

OOPS, I forgot to welcome you. :eek:

WELCOME to the Village Ron. :)

[Danudin]

Hi Ron,
I hope all is well. I have been struggling with trying to organize my photos. Which way is best, etc. I have found that I am setting up several catalogues within Organizer as this just helps me keep my photos at a manageable size-and that is what works for me.
I haven't even begun to think about separating my raw from jpegs. ah, another day....
I spent many agonizing hours trying to decide what would work best for me-as everyone is different and you need to find what makes sense to you. I did purchase Michael Slaters book on Organizing in PSE3. I have PSE6 but most of what he says still applies.
If you want to have a very organized system it does pay to put the time in now figuring it out. It's not fun but it will be the best in the long run.
Anyway I hope you get it all worked out.
Good luck,
Thanks for the welcome Chestnutmare, and other kind souls.

I do identify with the agony you mentioned, I have about 1800 -2500 images taken with two Nikon cameras one a coolpix 3100 (great little point and shooter - which I still use on occasions and the other a Nikon D70s which thanks to the raw capacity I want to use to collect a store of "Stock Photos - I think that is the term anyway that I can use for compilations etc later. I will do the work you mentioned and get back to the forum when it is done. Just one question - I have been limiting the number of tags that I use is there a rule on tagging that you know of?
The images in my gallery were taken with both cameras I mentioned the owl with the 3100 and the king with rheD70s.
Thanks Ron

[chestnutmare]

I will do the work you mentioned and get back to the forum when it is done.
:o I spend most of my time now organizing. I know I will be glad I did when I am able to bring up any photo I want.

Just one question - I have been limiting the number of tags that I use is there a rule on tagging that you know of?

No, I don't know of any rule. PSE pretty much gives us complete freedom to design our tag sets. To be honest I don't limit the number of tags I am using. Whatever is going to help me bring up a picture I might want I tag it that way. I would take a few moments and plan the structure you want and then later when you've gotten more experience with PSE if you decide you want to change the order it is easy to do.
I wish you good luck,

[Danudin]

Thanks for the response and support Chestnutmare, although I can't wait till the correct formula coaleses in my mind and I can finish the reorganization and get onto the organization that you are enjoying, guess I'll see you around this village as time permits, thanks a bunch again
Ron