Prevent "A" or "B" from stopping in transition

[Tom Blizzard]

OK.... Chuck, ATR, ???,,, someone else ?? :) I tried to search this out. However, putting into words was rather hard....Well, actually it was impossible.:rolleyes:

I am putting a show together using many video clips and I have inserted many different transitions between the clips. I have varied the time of the clips from the default time of 1 second to as long as 3 seconds.

I have changed the setting as to where the transitions will begin, i.e. "center at cut", "start at cut", and "end of cut", but it does not change the problem.

Here's the problem: At the end of the cross fade transition, for example, as the "B" clip fades into view, is "still" with no motion shown in the video clip. Then when the fade completes, and the "B" clip is in full view, the "B" clip begins to move into action. Both "A" and "B" clips are action clips over their entirety.

Most of my experience with a cross fade has been for the "A" clip to continue with action up to and including the time that it completely fades out and the "B" clip is in action as it fades in ............ Can this be controlled?

This is rather hard to explain..... can you follow??

[ATR]

Tom,

I am still digesting the information. Basically, are you saying that the action of A or B still is lost during the transition?

Also, you mention varying the duration of the still. Did you say any thing about playing with the duration of the transition? It is my recollection that the default still duration time is 5 sec and the default transition duration time is 1 sec. You say that you applied a duration of 1 to 3 sec to the "clips". So, I ask, what about the transition duration time? I did note that you varied the cuts of the transitions.

I am still thinking on this one and will explore this within Premiere Elements 4 to see what I can come up with.

ATR

[Tom Blizzard]

Tom,

I am still digesting the information. Basically, are you saying that the action of A or B still is lost during the transition? No.......... wait, I'm not sure what you mean by the word "still". Still as in a still picture or ???

Also, you mention varying the duration of the still. There is no still used. Did you say any thing about playing with the duration of the transition? Yes, the default for these transitions is 1 second. I tried 2 seconds and also 3 seconds just to give it more time in hopes that it would not cause a split second stopped video at the very beginning of the "B" clip. It is my recollection that the default still duration time is 5 sec and the default transition duration time is 1 sec. You say that you applied a duration of 1 to 3 sec to the "clips". So, I ask, what about the transition duration time? I tried 1 sec., 2 sec., and 3 sec. I did note that you varied the cuts of the transitions.

I am still thinking on this one and will explore this within Premiere Elements 4 to see what I can come up with. Thanks....

ATR
Again, I might not fully understand your questions..... I'll reread..

[ATR]

Tom,

Sorry about that...by Stills, I meant photos which is not what you said...you specifically said video...I will re-think my thinking process and give this a try tomorrow morning.

ATR

[ATR]

Good morning Tom,

Questions:
1. In your Premiere Elements 3, you give the transition "Cross Fade" as an example in your issue. Do you mean the video transition "Cross Dissolve"?

2. Please clarify: a. Does this happen with all the transitions, not just "Cross ...", and does it happen every time. Have you found any exceptions to this happening.

3. Has rendering the Timeline (to get a better Preview) had any impact on the issue.

This morning I did a quick check using default settings for transition Cross Dissolve and some video clips, but did not run into the problem. I will continue working through this.

ATR

[Tom Blizzard]

Good morning to you ATR. :)

Good morning Tom,

Questions:
1. In your Premiere Elements 3, you give the transition "Cross Fade" as an example in your issue. Do you mean the video transition "Cross Dissolve"?Yes, old terminolgy seems to creep in now and then...

2. Please clarify: a. Does this happen with all the transitions, not just "Cross ...", and does it happen every time. Yes, all transitions...that was just an example. Have you found any exceptions to this happening. Not in this project..

3. Has rendering the Timeline (to get a better Preview) had any impact on the issue. Nope........... still the same.

This morning I did a quick check using default settings for transition Cross Dissolve and some video clips, but did not run into the problem. I will continue working through this. Thanks.... probably just another one time thing....but I just had to ask. I'm always trying to learn new stuff and how to make adjustments with Premiere.

ATR

[ATR]

Almost Good Afternoon Tom,

I am still thinking...

But, if you did a mini test run using a new project and one or two of those videos from this current project and did your transitions, do you still see the unwanted transition issue?

To be continued....

ATR

[Chuck Engels]

Here is a good (free) video article on 'How Transitions Work In Premiere Elements' Tom
http://muvipix.com/phpBB3/articles/?p=8

My guess is that you need to cut 30 frames or so from the end of your clip, they will be used in the transition so they really don't get cut. Watch the little article above, it really explains it all pretty well. There is a video tutorial on the Cross Dissolve transition at muvipix also, it gets into more detail about adjusting the transitions position to achieve the best results.

[Tom Blizzard]

Amazing !!! That is a great tutorial , and most important, I understand it 100%. Plus it sure makes sense. Thanks so much Chuck for the link....

[ATR]

Tom,

After looking at the video and applying the information to your current project, did it resolve the problem that you were observing?

If so, and if you have the time, it would be helpful if you could explain how your techniques were out of line with the principles demonstrated in that video.

That would help others avoid the pitfalls.

ATR

[Tom Blizzard]

Here is a good (free) video article on 'How Transitions Work In Premiere Elements' Tom
http://muvipix.com/phpBB3/articles/?p=8

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Per ATR's request, here's my report. If I was doing anything wrong, I'm not aware of it. This solved the problem. I just had to drag the clip out further to overlap the transition more. It was a little difficult to find the timeline graphics for the transitions, but as soon as I did, it was easy.
Thanks again Chuck and ATR.

[ATR]

Tom,

Thanks, Good job.

ATR

[bernluk]

I have the same problem that Tom had, and I read through this post but still couldn't quite figure it out.

I also tried watching the link at muvipix but it seems that the link is broken...? (I got a 403 forbidden access message.)

Maybe I'll clarify my question by way of an example:

1. I have two video clips, A and B. A runs for 20 secs, B runs for 20 secs.

2. I want to do a cross dissolve whereby the combined length of the video is 30 seconds (i.e. there is 10 seconds overlap).

2a. So my desired result should look like the following:

0-10 seconds: first 10 seconds of clip A
10-20 seconds: last 10 seconds of clip A is fading out, and first 10 seconds of clip B is fading in
20-30 seconds: last 10 seconds of clip B

3. However, when I use cross dissolve in Premiere Elements (by putting the two clips next to each other, then adding a 10-second cross dissolve across the two clips), I get the following:

0-15 seconds: first 15 seconds of clip A
15-20 seconds: last 5 seconds of clip A, and a still picture of the first frame of clip B is fading in
20-25 seconds: a still picture of the last frame of clip A is fading out, and first 5 seconds of clip B
25-40 seconds: last 15 seconds of clip B

3a. There is an extra 10 seconds because the combined clips is 40 seconds; all the cross-dissolving did was to fade in the first frame of clip B, and fade out the last frame of clip A (as still images).

Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated! Many thanks!


Bern

[ATR]

bernluk

Things do change with time over at that forum. Before you could click on free stuff and it would open for view. But now usually you need to register without charge first to view the free material. Other offerings are for subscription to that web site.

I think that I have found a way into that suggested video that may have escaped the current system over there. Check out the following link before they change things and the video again and let me know if that told you all you want to know.

http://muvipix.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=3705

If not, we will work on this together to get it straightened out.

ATR

[ATR]

berntuk

A spent some time this morning considering your goal and what you said that you were doing.

If that mini video tutorial on transitions helps, great. But, I suspect not, from the details that you wrote. What you observed was typical of non trimmed clips where the transition repeats last frame of the first clip and first frame of the second clip. See Premiere Elements Help PDF on transitions.

1. From the description that you gave, I might have approached this differently without transitions. I would have
(a) placed video 1 (with its 20 second duration) on Video Track 1 at the start of that track.
(b) placed video 2 (with its 20 second duration) on Video Track 2 at the 10 second Timeline Time...creating the overlap of the two videos from 10 to 20 seconds into the Timeline.
(c) placed the Timeline Indicator at 10 second mark and keyframed the Opacity of video 1 (from 100% to 0%) over that period of 10 to 20 seconds into the Timeline.

We can talk about transitions and fine tuning them in the Properties Panel another time if you still want to try to go that route.

Please let me know how this all turned out and if you have any additional questions.

ATR

[bernluk]

Hi ATR

You're a legend, thanks so much for the revised link, I was able to see the video and now I understand how to do it! Gave it a go and now it looks like it works.

I'm not exactly sure how a trimmed clip works, but I presume that it's explained in the Premiere Elements help file so I'll have a look at that.

Thanks also for the opacity trick, I thought about that but then I figured that there had to be an easier way to do it!

Cheers,
bernluk

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For the benefit of anyone else reading this, I think the problem I was having is that my clip transition looked like this:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa
------------------TTTTTTTTTT
------------------bbbbbbbbbbbBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB

and it seems like that 'a' and 'b' are part of the video clip - but in fact they are the last and first frames of clips A and B respectively. So following the tutorial, I had to drag clips A and B out further so it looked as follows:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
----------------TTTTTTTTTTTT
----------------BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB

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[ATR]

bernluk

Thanks for letting us know the outcome and follow up details. Good job.

That was indeed great news to start the day.

Continued success.

ATR