New User - Problem Removing Effects

[JulieM]

Hi All,

I'm just getting my feet wet with Premier 4 having come to it from Pinnacle Studio 10. I've begun a slideshow project and have found I can't remove effects applied to a still image. "Help" says I should select an image from timeline, go to effects view and find the effect, then click the trashcan. I think this is where I should be but I don't see the same panel as shown in Help:

http://www.pixentral.com/hosted/1LcOUepoLtgqPmWEzUosJyjCSVWU1U_thumb.jpg (http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1LcOUepoLtgqPmWEzUosJyjCSVWU1U)

Hope someone can tell me where I've gone wrong...

[Chuck Engels]

Go to the Clip Properties panel, find the effect, select it and press the Delete key ;)


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[JulieM]

Thanks for the response, Chuck. I'm still not able to remove the effect. When you say Clip Properties panel are you referring to the panel on the right in my screenshot? If so, when I click on one of the added motion effects and hit the delete key on my keyboard, it is not deleted. Nor is the trashcan at the bottom of that panel active so that it can be clicked. And right clicking shows a choice of "delete selected effect" but it too is not active (grayed out). I'm obviously doing something very wrong!

[Chuck Engels]

In your screen shot it looks like you added a few preset motion effects. You cannot delete the original/default Motion, but you can delete the others. Right click on the 'Motion' header (the ones with the Blue stopwatch) and select 'Delete Selected Effect' or 'Delete All Effects' or 'Undo' or 'Clear'. Pressing Delete isn't working for me either, might be a version 4 change.

There are two free tutorials on adding preset pan and zoom effects to your video at muvipix.com
They are on the first page of the Products/Complimentary section :)

[JulieM]

Thank you for pointing out that the blue clock is the effect that I added. I knew there must be a way to distinguish between added ones and original. However, when I right click on the line with the blue stopwatch, the option "delete selected effect" is greyed out and not clickable. The option "delete all effects" is available but does nothing at all. "Undo" turns the eyeball off and does indeed cause the effect not to run. But, is there a way to have it removed from the clip completely?

I was over at your site earlier and will go back for a better look around. Thanks!

[ATR]

Julie,

I am going to suggest a few ways:

1. Let us say you apply a Gaussian Blur Effect to your video clip. If you have the Effects Window still open, go to the bottom left of that panel and select “Edit Effects”. The Properties Panel will appear, and in it will be a Gaussian Blur panel. Right click on this panel, select delete.

2. Let us say that you closed out of Effects as well as Properties and want to get rid of the Gaussian Blur effect. You will need to get back to the Properties Panel. Two ways come to mind:
(a) Window Menu/Properties or (b) click on Effects Tab, do not apply an effect, just go down to and click on “Edit Effects”, (c) right click the video clip on the Timeline and select Show Properties and go through to delete the Gaussian Blur effect as described above.

3. Go to the Properties Panel whichever way to decide, when there highlight the Gaussian Blur panel, and then take your cursor and click on the trash can icon at the bottom of the Properties Panel (no drag needed).

ATR

[ATR]

Add on for Julie

In the example that I gave, I used the Gaussian Blur Effect.

Exactly what effect are you trying to remove?

ATR

[JulieM]

Hi ATR,

I think you've helped me get to the bottom of this. I was trying to remove effects that get listed as "Motion" effects, like pans and zooms. Those don't seem to be removable. But the other effects, like your example Gaussian blur, are deletable. Is that correct?

[Chuck Engels]

But the other effects, like your example Gaussian blur, are deletable. Is that correct?

That would be correct, and the fact that you can't delete the additional Motion effects I think is a bug. In version 3 they were deleted the same way as any other effect but not in version 4. I have sent an email to Adobe and am waiting for a reply to see what they have to say about it.

[JulieM]

Thank you both.

[ATR]

Julie,

I do not totally agree with the last comments. But, let us check it out.

Say you keyframe motion for a video clip. You decide you do not want to use it. Consider the following possibilities:

a. Right click on the Motion Panel in Properties that is involved. Deselect "Effect Enabled" or for drastic measures select "Delete All Effects from Clip".
OR
b. Just turn off the visibility icon in the Motion Panel in Properties that is involved.
OR
c. Remember that stopwatch icon that you used to initiate the keyframe process? Well, after you keyframe and want to get rid of it, click on that stopwatch icon again. You will get a warning message, "This action will delete existing keyframes. Do you want to continue." Click Yes.

See if any of those options will work to your advantage. If not, I will think on this some more.

ATR

[Chuck Engels]

ATR, the problem with adding Preset Motion Effects to a clip is that it adds additional Motion properties as in Julie's screen shot. She has 3 Motion Properties, the original default and two that she added by applying Preset Motion effects. These additional Motion Properties should be able to be removed as in earlier versions, it does not seem to be possible in version 4. I am still waiting for a response from Adobe before I make any final conclusions, but I can't get rid of them like I can if I add a Old Film effect or anything else.

[ATR]

Julie and CE,

Maybe I missing something here, but ponder this:

OK, let us focus on removing Pans & Zooms (Motion) Presets. After you apply the Preset of your choice, you will generate an additional Motion Panel in the Properties Panual. Right click on that and select Undo.

Alternatively, you could always shut off the visibility icon for that Motion Panel or uncheck Enable after right clicking. But, what is so off beat about right clicking the Motion Panel in Properties and selecting Undo? It seems to do the job.

ATR

[Chuck Engels]

Undo only works momentarily, we went through this already and Julie was not able to use Undo. After you add a second one you can't undo the first anymore, and so on. You can use the Undo immediately after applying the preset but that is all. The effects should be able to be deleted just like they can in version 3, I am pretty sure this is a v4 bug.

[ATR]

Julie and CE,

Could give the Undo another look exactly as I described it.

It works for me, even after additional presets as well as going on to other tasks.

ATR

[JulieM]

I've played a bit more. I'm finding some erratic behavior with the undo button. I don't have time tonight to look more closely at it but will try to do so and report back tomorrow. Thank you both for considering my problem...

[ATR]

Julie,

Just a reminder...the undo that I am referring to is not the Undo Button at the top of the Interface. For your issue, I am referring to the "Undo" option that you get after you right click the Motion Panel of the Motion Preset that you want to get rid of.

ATR

[JulieM]

Yes, I understand...

[Chuck Engels]

Julie,

Just a reminder...the undo that I am referring to is not the Undo Button at the top of the Interface. For your issue, I am referring to the "Undo" option that you get after you right click the Motion Panel of the Motion Preset that you want to get rid of.

ATR

That button doesn't work most of the time ATR, give it a try.
It only works immediately after adding the effect, if you add other effects or make changes it doesn't work anymore.

[ATR]

CE

To repeat, I am not talking about BUTTONS. I am talking about right clicking the Properties panel associated with the Effect (be it Preset/Horizontal Zoom or Video Effects/Gaussian Blur).

After the right click of the panel associated with the Effect, you will get a pop up list. From that select UNDO. It does the job in Premiere Elements 4...it does not have to be immediate after applying Effect X.

Any further questions, please post. I would like to troubleshoot your Premiere Elements 4 to help you resolve the issue that you say you are having.

ATR

[JulieM]

I haven't had a lot of time to play with this and have decided to do at least some of my project in PSE6 instead. But, I felt I should come back to mention that right-click 'undo' does not perform the function I was looking for. I'm not sure why the difference of opinion on how it functions, but this is my experience with it so far. It works for me as the undo button in PSE would, it removes steps in reverse order from how they were added. Even if I right click on the property panel for an earlier-added effect, undo will remove the most recent step. This provides limited functionality particularly because I presume the history of steps will be lost if the project is saved. I would like to see an option which would remove the added effect completely from the property panel at any point in the editing process. Nevertheless, I hope to be able to work around this with the options you've suggested.

I do hope to become more proficient at using this software so shall likely be back again with more questions. Thanks again for your help...

[Chuck Engels]

CE
To repeat, I am not talking about BUTTONS. I am talking about right clicking the Properties panel associated with the Effect (be it Preset/Horizontal Zoom or Video Effects/Gaussian Blur).

After the right click of the panel associated with the Effect, you will get a pop up list. From that select UNDO. It does the job in Premiere Elements 4...it does not have to be immediate after applying Effect X.
ATR

I am talking about the same Undo Button/link/selection in the properties panel as you are. It does not work on preset motion effects, at least not for me. Honest ATR, it really isn't working for me. It does work for all other effects, just not any of the preset pan and zoom effects.

Julie, be sure to check out some of the tutorials at muvipix they will give you a nice head start to using the program :)

[ATR]

CE,

I think that Julie has moved on with her project, using workarounds. But to avoid a dangling thread, I will revisit this issue once more in depth depth, reading all prior posts in this thread and reworking this issue in my Premiere Elements 2 and 4.

In doing this, I hope to define where I could have gone off track or not communicated well enough.

To be continued....

ATR

[Chuck Engels]

I have had confirmation that the additional motion properties should be able to be deleted but cannot be, this is a bug in version 4.

[JulieM]

Thanks for that, Chuck. Is there any hope that it will ever get fixed or do you have to wait for the next version?

[Chuck Engels]

Adobe doesn't put out patches very often if at all, especially not Premiere Elements. I wouldn't hold my breath ;)

[ATR]

For better or worse, I think that I have reconciled the issues after a closer look at this. My problem was that I kept reading the issue as a removal without consequences rather than a targeted removal. I hope my observations will be a help to someone besides myself.

Premiere Elements 4
Given in order of application:
1. Presets/Bevel Edges, Bevel Edges Thick
2. Presets/Drop Shadows, Drop Shadow Motion UL
3. Presets/Horizontal Image Pans, 640 x 480 Image Pan L-R
4. Video Effects/Image Control, Black & White

In the Properties Panel each of the above had a corresponding panel named:
1. Bevel Edges
2. Drop Shadow
3. Motion
4. Black & White

In the History Panel, the program designated each entry by the same name “Apply Effect Preset”.

Observations Re: Removal of Effect
1. Bevel Edges, Drop Shadow (in spite of the fact that it had a motion component), and Black & White Property Panel panels could be removed without affecting anything else by:
a. Highlighting the panel and then clicking on the Trash Icon at the bottom of the Properties Panel
b. Right clicking the Properties Panel panel and selecting Clear.
If you just wanted to remove the effect and not the panel in the Properties Panel, you could turn off the panel visibility icon or right click the panel and uncheck “Effect Enabled”. These observations held up for effects that did NOT generate additional panels named “Motion”. Also, it was noted that a Motion Panel was also generated in the Properties Panel when a Presets/PIPs was applied, and it was noted that it removal fell under the same type as the Pans & Zooms.

You can use the Undo button at the top of the interface or the Undo from right clicking a panel to get rid of the Motion entry in Properties Panel, BUT this route becomes effective only immediately after applying the “Motion” effect. Undo, wherever, goes back one step. So, if you applied the Motion several steps ago, then you will remove other entries as you undo your way to the Motion entry.

I started a quick comparison of this business with Premiere Elements 2. Most everything was similar EXCEPT when you applied more than one motion it appeared as a composite in one Properties Panel panel named Motion. Premiere Elements 4 appears more advanced in this respect. Although some may define this as a buggy part of the 4 version, at least the 4 version gives you a different Properties Panel panel for each Motion entry which has removal implications???? I found it strange that CE commented that the 3 version did not have the issue that started this thread. So that would mean that it went Premiere Elements 2 bug, Premiere Elements 3 no bug, and Premiere Elements 4 the return of the bug. (I have only PE2 and PE4).

Bottom line: If Properties Panel’s panel for your applied effect is not named Motion, then Highlight the Panel/Click Trash Icon should do it. For Premiere Elements 2 and 4, turn off the visibility icon of the effect’s Motion Panel or select Undo immediately after application of said effect.

ATR