Content of 'paid for' Tutorials

[Chris Bishop]

With all good intentions over the last month or so a lot of the information in these tutorials has made it to the forums- in answer to various problems. OK But are we in danger of stopping the tutorials being written? Who is going to pay if they know the info will appear on the forums anyway?
Will the content of future tutorials be written in the knowledge it will be released anyway?
I can honestly say I have learnt more from them than all the books, so would like more, and possibly in more depth, but is it likely to happen if no-one buys them?
This isn't what we in England call 'sour grapes' I don't mind giving the info out, so long as the authors don't.
Chris Bishop

[richs]

Chris,

My thoughts are that no matter what the subject, each teacher has a slightly different presentation of the material and each seems to put more emphasis on one item than another. I find that even after several classes essentially on the same subject, I always come away knowing a little more than when I started.

[bwolford]

Tuts have tremendous value over this forum even when there is duplicate info. This forum provides point an time, one at a time bytes of information and tuts give you a comprehensive, structured presentation that speeds your education and will alway have value over just Q&A.

I don't think the folks at PET would be creating TUTs AND support the forum, if there wasn't a few dollars in the deal :) I know they are wonderful at what they do, but I believe they are "for profit."

Heck PSE4 is going to put more $ in Kelby's pocket alone when he comes out with his new book that will primarily tell us everything we picked up in older books + how to exploit PSE4. I could apply the same logic to books as the tuts...

One other point, PET continues to provide free tuts for the subscribers and I don't see them going away. They are just bait to real us into all the advanced/good stuff in the paid package.

IMHO, we're safe. I don't think we're endangering any more paid tutorials.

Brice

[Pauline]

I believe if anything our discussing the tutorials on the forum make people who aren't subscribers want to know more about what we are talking about and want to join! There are lots of "free" tutorials on the net, BUT we still are all paid subscribers aren't we?? It gives us something to look forward to. It brings us closer together.

If I were to go to a site and do a tutorial and then tell the group, gee look what I created.......hey go here and do it yourself, it just wouldn't be the same. This way we are 'all on the same page". If anything I think it gets us more addicted and the PET people don't have to sell their product, WE DO, to everyone who asks, "is it worth it". Go read some of those previous posts and I believe you will find that that is the case. :lol:

[GaryK]

Chris

I've wrestled with the same thought quite a bit. To be honest I still haven't come to a decision.
I do tend to agree with Pauline. I kind of think of it as a plus/minus thing. Just hopefully the plus (more people subscribing because of our discussions) outweighs the minus (less people subscribing because we tell them stuff).

There is also the ..if you like it, support it, mentality. While I can't change the world on that one, I can do my part, and support it. :D :D

[Edmund]

Chris,

As a brand new beginner in PSE-3 (or any PS program) I find the forums and Q & A's some what hard to digest. The tutorials give me hands on experience with various tools, concepts etc that the forums do not do. It gives the beginner like myself some confidence that eventually some thing will click and who knows what could happen. Possibly the "powers to be" could structure their TUT'S to various levels from beginners to say super advanced students. I find that they are fine just the way they are. IMHO I don't think that the producers will hold back on info. It is to their advantage to keep every one up to speed . The new business base that Adobe picked up with PSE-3 and now PSE-4 is a huge pot of gold (future students) for PS Techniques Producers.

[Wendy]

Hi Edmund ...

I do agree with you about the tutorials giving hands on experience of tools and concepts that the forum cannot do!

It is just so much easier to pick something up when you can actually see someone doing it ... thats why I do online classes too. I still find myself watching them and saying "Well I never thought of that".

Hope you are enjoying the classes ... I am :)


Wendy

[Pauline]

Some very good points Edmund. Don't worry about not understanding a lot of stuff on the forum. Before you know it, you will be up to speed and joining along. There are a lot of us new comers to pse (I got mine in Feb.)
The best advice I could give is to do the tutorials, spend some time on the classes and you will be up to speed in no time. This site helps you learn quickly and there is lots and lots of help, so don't be too shy to ask. :lol:

[richs]

I think that one very benefical point that should be made is that wether you are a newbie or your memory has slowed down (aging I hope) you will find that the ability to run the tutorials simultaniously while working the project in PSE is an invaluable aid. Run the video, minimize it, work that part of the project, minimize PSE, run additional video. This gives you the opportunity to work and learn, correct mistakes, at your own pace.

[Wendy]

Rich ...

... I do that too :)


Wendy

[MikeH]

Wendy, Rich

Me too... :)

Mike

[MikeH]

The tutorials give me hands on experience with various tools, concepts etc that the forums do not do...Edmund,

What I think you are missing about the Forums is that they provide a means of sharing problems, ideas and your work with other Elements users. No matter whether you are a newbie or seasoned expert, you'll probably find someone else here who has the same question or problem and several people who will give as much help as you want to answer it... All you have to do is ask... :wink:

You may not have picked this up but Dave Cross, Matt K, Tami and Bruce all regularly visit and contribute to the forums. Also, there have been four occasions I know of where Subscriber tutorials have resulted directly from questions or comments on the Forums. This is without doubt the best Elements site and there aren't many (or any?) sites out there where you'll get that level of interaction with the "experts" - at no cost!! Ring Adobe and see how much they want to talk to you!!

Mike

[jazzfisher]

Me, Three!!!! :D

[MikeH]

Sherry,

What I do often is to run the tutorial on a laptop while doing it on my pc...

Mike

[jazzfisher]

Mike, you mean I have to buy a laptop too???? $$$$$$$$$$$$$ :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MikeH]

Sherry,

Ahh well perhaps not so many $$$$$ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4292854.stm 8) :wink:

But you'll also need an Ipod to listen to Photoshop radio at the same time :lol:

Mike

[jazzfisher]

Mike,
Technology will be the death of me!!!! :wink:

[Pauline]

Sherry, I don't even bother trying to keep up with technology. If you do you will always be frustrated and BROKE! :lol:

[MikeH]

With two teenage sons I'm always up to date with technology and broke :cry: :lol: :cry: :lol:

Mike

[Pauline]

Mike I don't think it's the technology that's keeping you broke, I think it's the teens!! I have 2 in high school and one still in public school. I have done nothing but write out checks to the school this month!! Trips, sports fees, id cards!! Then there are the weekly games out of town so McDonald's dinner money must be provided!! :cry:

[MikeH]

Pauline,

My eldest is at college and learning to drive... you know what's coming next...

Mike

[Wendy]

I have just given up trying to keep up with technology ...

.... computers I'm fine with but give me a mobile phone and I just haven't a clue :)

Wendy

[willpresley]

Wendy I'm fine with a computer and with computer issues and problems but what I can't seem to manage very well are the remotes for TV and all the other things connected to it -- all that button pushing is beyond me, I don't even watch TV. I spend most of my time on my computer, this forum, and digital editing -- not to mention one computer game.

[jazzfisher]

Talk about brain simulation--we didn't even use calulators in high school or college & I didn't even know how to type till I started using a computer!!!!!

[GaryK]

Mike

My eldest just started Univiersity as well, so now I'm not up to date but broke :lol: :lol:

[MikeH]

Unless two fingers and one thumb counts I still can't type... :oops:

Mike

[jazzfisher]

Well, least I'm off the hook as far as kids go--never had one!! ($$$-wise I mean)

[MikeH]

Gary,

:lol: :lol:

University comes next year for my eldest... just as our youngest starts college... at least the technology keeps me up to date with just how broke I'm going to be... :lol:

Mike

[Wendy]

The bad news is that as they get even older it doesn't change much ... just the things they need are different :)


Wendy

[GaryK]

Sherry

I got a daughter for rent :lol: :lol:

[jazzfisher]

Gary,
Does she like concerts & wine?

[MikeH]

I have a special offer this month - rent one son get another free...

[jazzfisher]

Mike,
If they are over 21 & cute, I'd consider it!!!!

[Pauline]

Sherry, weren't you complaining about the price of gas??? I think a teenage boy cost more than a car to feed. :lol: :lol:

[GaryK]

Sherry

She likes concerts ..but she is only 16 so I'm sure she hasn't tried wine yet :lol: :lol:

[Wendy]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh I do hope that your daughters and sons are not reading this thread :shock: :shock:


Wendy

[MikeH]

If they are it won't be such a surprise when the tickets for the trip over to Sherry arrive... :lol:

Mike

[GaryK]

My daughter has always wanted to go to California.

Looks like we both win :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Wendy]

Oh my goodness ...

... what a laugh :lol: :lol:


Wendy

[jazzfisher]

Hey, I have 2 guest bedrooms ---one for Mike's boys & one for Gary's girl--we can have a PSE wedding next spring.....................................

You know Gary, fathers usually pay for the weddings.........



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8) :wink:

[MikeH]

Yes Gary, get your wallet out... :lol:

Right, now what can I turn that bedroom into...

Mike

[jazzfisher]

I guess I'm too old for your boys, Mike, but gee, I sure can fix them up with Gary's daugther or somebody..... :wink:

[MikeH]

Sherry,

That's fine... just send them back when they've made lots of money and can keep me in the manner to which they have been acustomed... :lol:

Mike

[jazzfisher]

No, First me, then you............ :lol:


Hey, Mike, is it me or does the Embarassed Smiley look like the evil smilely-----scroll over their names. (Embrassed says Razz) ?????

[MikeH]

Sherry,

Could be the combination of being 2am and the wine... :lol:

Mike

[GaryK]

Oh yah

Plan the wedding while I'm in bed :P . I guess if I'm paying, it's mac & cheese for everybody :lol:

Mike, I hope one of yours is going to make a ton of money, my "princess" thinks she is one. :roll: ..maybe between the two of them........

[MikeH]

Gary,

I'm pinning my hopes of a luxurious, early retirement on one of them making it rich... :lol:

Mike

[Wendy]

Mike ...

Oh you do like to dream :)


Wendy

[GaryK]

Mike

I just hope you're not planning on having mine cook for ya. :lol: :lol:

[MikeH]

Gary,

Looks like Sherry will be busy... :lol:

Mike

[jazzfisher]

Well, apparently Gary's daughter & I think alike---I'm a Princess & I don't cook. So those boys of yours better get crackin' :lol:

[MikeH]

Your local take-away will be busy then :lol:

Mike

[Wendy]

Mike ...

I'll make the wedding cake ....

... well as long as its after Chrismas :) :)


Wendy

[Mary]

Christmas Cakes are a beautiful memory for me from my Canadian past. Of course wedding cakes were also fruit cake with almond icing and were made by loving hands well ahead of the wedding. I was living in California when I got married and was struck dumb when I went into the bakery to order my wedding cake and they asked me if I wanted white or chocolate cake. Definitely didn't feel like a real wedding cake! :(

My sister in Victoria, B.C. takes pity on me each Christmas and sends me a cake. :)

[Jodi Frye]

Indeed the cuisine of Canada is a fine thing. Thank goodness I paid attention ;)

[Wendy]

Mary ...

Do you not have the same Chrismas Cakes in America???


Wendy

[jazzfisher]

Wendy,
I've never heard of them??? Tell us that don't know.

[Jodi Frye]

it's just different variations but the ingredients make all the difference...just google ' Canadian Christmas cake '..

[Wendy]

Sherry ...

http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/the-classic-christmas-cake,1293,RC.html


Wendy

[jazzfisher]

OH--a fruit cake, like the traditional one that gets mailed from one person to another around America--cause nobody eats the ones made in America. They are dry & use that candied fruit. Yuck!! ----I'm sure yours are completely different. They make wedding cakes like that too????

[Wendy]

Hi Sherry ...

Well they are a very rich fruit cakes but they are not dry ... they are full of Christmas spices like Cinnamon and Mixed Spice then liberally laced with Brandy. We don't tend to put Candied fruit in them except a little candied peel. Usually they are made 2 to 3 months in advanced and topped up regularly with Brandy over the months. Then they have almond paste put onto them before they are iced with Royal icing ...

... Wedding Cakes are made in the same way.

Wendy

[Edmund]

What's a laptop? :lol:

[Jodi Frye]

Yup, my grandmother made the best darn fruit cakes !! Definietly not dry...pretty much exactly the way Wendy explained it...well, my dear Grandmother was born and raised UK style ;) ...must be the reason...

[richs]

Wendy,
I'm wondering if the English weather might have had some influence on the making of that recipe.
Quote: "then liberally laced with Brandy. We don't tend to put Candied fruit in them except a little candied peel. Usually they are made 2 to 3 months in advanced and topped up regularly with Brandy." Do you sip tea or more Brandy when consuming this? :lol: :lol: :wink:

[GaryK]

Rich

It is soooooo yummy with tea. :D :D
Just a relax and enjoy by the fireplace sort of yummy.

[Wendy]

Rich ...

Either ... or even both :) :)


Wendy

[Chris Bishop]

What a thread
Isn't pushing kids over the 'net sort of illegal even if it is done by the parents?

[Wendy]

Chris ...

I think that it has always been illegal ... but not if you just do it in Photoshop :lol: :lol: :lol:


Wendy