Help - I'm totally mystified

[TonyW]

I've run into something I just cannot understand. I was playing around with frames and ran into a situation where I couldn't apply a layer style to a text layer. I removed the frame, simplified it, saved it as a JPEG and it still won't take a layer style. I've reset preferences although other JPEG's behaved as normal. I saved for web and then it worked normally but the original JPEG still doesn't take a layer style. I then uploaded it to Pixentral and downloaded it again and it still won't take a text layer style.

So could someone with PSE5 please take a look at the JPEG and see if they can add a text layer and apply a style to it. I'm totally mystified as to why this particular file won't work.

http://www.pixentral.com/hosted/1P8vUKr2QmMCPKxwTeHzcNL3Q0Mzw_thumb.jpg (http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1P8vUKr2QmMCPKxwTeHzcNL3Q0Mzw)

Tony

[kimi_boo]

Tony... I was able to add text, a bevel and a drop shadow. :confused:

Edit: I have 5.

[msbrad]

Now that is a scary thought!
I'll give it a try when I get home. I have about 1 more hour at work.
Is the frame from Jodi's CD, or one that came with v.5?

[TonyW]

Kimi: Thanks - I must have something going wrong somewhere at this end.

Tony

[Jodi Frye]

Hey Tony, went over this a few times and tried different things but not running into this problem. I think your grandpa is trying to let you know he's watching..was he one to play practical jokes ? :)

...Don't mean to make a joke of it but have you run into this problem if you use other frames/pictures or what it just that one.

[TonyW]

Jodi: I've convinced myself that it's nothing to do with frames - yours or anyone elses. In fact I recreated the whole framed image from scratch and it works fine - it's just that I somehow seem to have corrupted this one particular file in some way. If I ever figure it out I'll let you all know :)

Tony

[Jodi Frye]

...ah, it's just your grandpa lettin' ya know he's around and trying to get your attention. Snicker all ya want but they are alot closer than ya think. I can't tell you how many times I've had someone standing over my shoulder here. Would like to think it is my dad checkin' up on my work...he was that way in life so why it would it be any different now. He never said much back then either ;) ..just checkin' in his way.

Glad you got it sorted tho...scares me when things go wrong.

[ATR]

Tony W,

You are not alone!!! Even though I have Photoshop Elements 3.0, not 5.0, I decided to download your picture and give it a try. I concentrated on Layer Styles, not Text, and could NOT see any layer style that I was applying to THIS photo.

BUT...the layer style was there, just not visible. I found out how to apply layer styles to this photo, but am still in hot pursuit of why this unique behavior for just this photo.

Try this,

Open another "good" photo and select an area, followed by Control J to put the selected area on its own layer. Apply any layer style to that layer.

Open the picture in question. Drag it into the above. Now when you apply the layer style to the layer with this picture, you will see it. If you create a new document and drag your picture with layer style into the new document, the layer style applied will stay with the layer.

Based on the above, you also can prove to yourself that, when you started all this, the layer style was there but invisible for a reason yet to be determined.

What do you think?

ATR

[Wendy]

Hi Tony ...

Its doing strange thing with me in PSE4 ...

I can add a text layer just fine but it won't take a layer style :eek:

Same thing in CS2 ???

But if I create a new file (same size etc) and drag the photo over then I can do text and layer styles without the problem happening..

Wendy

[Wendy]

Ummm ...

and if I drag the text layer over (the one with the layer style that won't show up) well it suddenly shows up :confused: :confused:

Wendy

[TonyW]

ATR/Wendy: That is exactly what I'm seeing - I can add a text layer, apply a layer style like emboss and I can't see it - drag that text layer with the style attached into a new document and the layer style becomes visible. Really wierd.

Now I'm sort of glad it's not just me. I thought I was going crazy (all this snow we just got :) )

Tony

[Cmcburnett]

As Jodi said, must be Grandpa looking over your shoulder for both you guys to have the same problem.

[msbrad]

Next question to add to my own confusion. Where are the frames in the oval shape???
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[hukari]

Same problem here. This file does not take a layer style, well, doesn't show it at least. What could the problem be?:confused::(

And did you want that funny gray area to the left and at the top?

[mrod]

Same story as everyone else Tony. But here's something else: Not sure this helps at all, but I found it interesting:

I tried adding some of the Wow styles. The styles in the Wow Neon category (the ones with the neon frame) caused the words to completely disappear. I then deleted the style and tried some in Wow Plastic. Black and white gave no visible change. Wow Plastic-Clear made the text invisible. And all the others, like Wow Plastic - Red, Purple, Gray, etc. made the text semi-transparent, but still gray (my text was black). When I changed the text color to red, same thing.

But, like others said, when I copied the image from pixentral and pasted into a new document, everything worked normally, with no problems.

Weird, to be sure.

Mike

[Wendy]

Hi ...

Ahhh ... I have found something else out ...

Take a look at the Document kind (in Bridge) and it is listed as jpg IMAGE ... all other jpgs are jpg FILE :eek:

Wendy

[TonyW]

Wendy: AhAh - now that is an interesting lead. I had a couple of ideas that didn't work out but although Save As in JPG or PSD didn't fix it saving in PNG did. And if I use Irfanview (which seems to fix anything ;) ) opening and saving as a jpg copy fixed it too.

Tony

[Wendy]

Tony ...

I have tried to find out the difference between the two file types ... but no leads. A google search throws up lots of useless info :(

Wendy

[TonyW]

Wendy: I'm now pretty sure that it got corrupted in the file header info - there's a bit that stores info on the version of Photoshop it was created in and a lot of other stuff. Photoshop likes to preserve that stuff but Irfanview dumps it and some file formats (png is one) don't seem to support it (so Elements drops it when it saves a png).

So anything I've done that saves the Photoshop header info doesn't work. Anything I've done that strips it does work - and that works when I recreate the header info by opening it in Elements and saving as another jpeg.

Curious that it would have this effect but I guess it was just a glitch when I was saving and I'll probably never be able to recreate the problem.

Tony

PS Looked at them in Bridge and it appears that a JPEG Image is one that has the Photoshop Header but a JPEG File is one that doesn't.

[Wendy]

Hi Tony ...

Oh so that solves the mystery :) ... its amazing what it did !!

Wendy