Wrong Colour Profile for New Documents - V4 WinXp

[Codebreaker]

I seem to have found a bug with creating New Documents. This is happening on two different systems - one of which is a new install - and is consistent. I'd like to know if anyone else sees this.


My Colour Settings in Edit > Colour Settings are Optimise for Print but the same happens with Optimise for Screen

Immediately after Launching the Editor directly - i.e not opening an image from the Organiser - if you create a new document with File > New > Blank, the Profile is UntaggedRGB. Any additional New Docs are also UntaggedRGB.

If I then open and image which has a profile and then create a New Doc, its profile is now correct as are subsequent New Docs.

Or, if I goto Edit > Colour Settings and just cancel, New Docs now open with the correct profile.

Colin

[Wendy]

Hii Colin ...

Ummm ... so it does :eek:

... and it then seem to keep that setting until you close down but when you restart Elements it loses it :confused: :confused:

Wendy

[Codebreaker]

Hi Wendy....

So its not just on Windows then.

What version are you running?

Colin

[TonyW]

Colin: I just checked all three versions I have (Windows XP) and 4 does indeed behave the way you describe but 5 appears to get it right (I'm using sRGB).

PSE3 seems to be at least consistent in that all new documents seem to be always untagged - the only way to change it is to save it with the imbed profile box checked. Cancelling the Color Settings or opening a tagged image doesn't effect new blank documents.

No wonder I never could understand color profiles before I got PSE5 and you came along to help :)

Sort of confirms my suspicion that PSE4 is buggier than 3 or 5.

Tony

[Codebreaker]

Thanks Tony.....

I haven't found many (any!) reasons to upgrade to V5. Even this isn't a convincing point yet. Since now I know, I can workaround it - although I seldom create new docs - will I remember??

Do you know of any bug fix list for V5?

Colin

[TonyW]

Don't know of a bug list but it was the replace color brush not working that really annoyed me (as well as the add-ins that stopped working) and that got fixed in V5.

I did notice that when you come to save the blank document it gets the color profile you have set in the imbed color profile option correct (according to your color settings) so maybe you don't need to remember.

Shouldn't it look the same on the screen regardless of the assigned profile and it's only when you send it to a file, printer or other color managed application that it would make a difference?

Tony

[Wendy]

Hi Tony ...

No it doesn't look the same on screen ...

I did a series of scrapbooking tuts where the main colour used is pink and an unprofiled version of it shows a different colour ... enough difference so that the two don't look as though they match.

It fooled me for ages until I worked out what was causing it

EDIT ... the difference is subtle but here is a screenshot of the two side by side:

http://www.pixentral.com/hosted/1htCdT96UXhlyxv1fPSKcfeO4c6WNv1_thumb.png (http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1htCdT96UXhlyxv1fPSKcfeO4c6WNv1)

Wendy

[Codebreaker]

What got me checking this out was that I copied into a new document an image with a colour profile, and like Wendy, found the colours were way I out.

It's almost as if the new document isn't being colour managed at all.

Colin

[TonyW]

Wendy - I see what you mean and they are different and when I switch profiles they do change (and the RGB numbers change a bit too - Abode RGB has about 10 less Red than sRGB on your pink). Just when I think I'm starting to understand color profiles I always seem to finish up going back to square 1 :o .

Tony

[Wendy]

Tony ...

I gave up long ago :eek:

Nowadays if I like what is onscreen and it prints out looking the same then that all I bother with ... :D :D

Wendy

[twirlerzmom]

I had this happen to me too. It was driving me nuts! Had I known it was a bug I wouldn't have been pulling my hair out so much. In fact, I just posted about this a few weeks ago, however I didn't know it was something someone else encountered as well. I figured it was something I was doing wrong. It was so maddening because my images would be 2 distinct different shades of color, making me think my eyes were that bad or I was just simply going crazy! lol Thank you for pointing out that I wasn't alone in noticing this!

[Wendy]

Hi ...

The funny thing is that most colours I donlt notice it at all but that shade is pink is really different :(

Wendy

[Codebreaker]

Yes - we are not alone - as the saying goes :)

Whether you notice it or not depends on quite a few factors. I noticed it when pasting images from a large colour space onto this new untagged document.

Colin