Digital camera recommendations

[LeeOtsubo]

Having taught digital camera and photography Workshops over the past 5 years, I've been asked, "What digital camera do you recommend?" at least a gazillion times. I try to give thoughtful answers but soon learned that most people want a simple answer. This reminded me of a quote by H.L. Mencken, "For every human problem, there is a neat, plain solution... and it is always wrong."

At the annual PMA (Photo Marketing Association) tradeshow, I see over 1000 digital cameras in 3 days. Every one of them has different features and benefits. There's a camera to fit just about every need, budget and bias. So, how does one make sense out of all these choices?

First of all, accept that there is no such thing as a "perfect" camera anymore than there is say, a perfect child, perfect spouse or perfect house. Every camera is a trade-off between what we want, can afford, need and current technological limitations. That's why many serious amateurs and professional photographers own multiple cameras so they can pick the one that best fits their current need.

Let's categorize all snapshooters into 3 basics groups: P&S crowd, advanced snapshooters and prosumers (professional consumers).

The P&S crowd wants an easy to use, basic camera that doesn't get in the way of taking photos. They're not particularly interested in creating art but in recording life's memories. In this crowd, no one needs much more than 3-5 megapixels.

Advanced snapshooters know their camera is capable of much more and they want to use it to it's full potential. They want to capture kids on the sports field and be able to tell who's kid is which. They want to add creativity and "pop" to their photos. These people don't need much more than 4-6 megapixels.

There are 2 types of prosumers. One type is the professional CONSUMER. They're good at spending money on the latest photo gear but don't really want to take time to learn how to use it. We'll ignore this sub-category. The second type is a PROFESSIONAL consumer. These people are pros in that they see photography as an art form and want to improve their artistry. They're professional enough to understand that cameras are nothing more than tools, a means to an end. Prosumers tend to buy 6-10 megapixels.

There's nothing right or wrong about any of these groups but you have to know what group you belong in before you can make a logical choice on a camera.

Next, there are 3 types of digital camera companies:

Traditional camera companies (Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, etc) design cameras with an photography bias. They tend to use terms from a film background and can sometimes be confusing to buyers who were never film photographers. However, they produce optically superior cameras and lenses. There is no comparison to a Canon or Nikon lens.

PC and electronics companies (Sony, HP, Samsung, Panasonic, Casio etc) come from a consumer electronics background and tend to design cameras like PCs. They add all the latest and coolest "gee-whiz" techie gadgets that I'm not convinced adds any benefit to picture taking. Who needs a digital camera with an integrated GPS, calculator and latte machine? But, they sure are cool and marketing convinces you that you "need" this stuff.

The 3rd company stands by itself - Kodak, the granddaddy of all film, camera and photography. And, they understand consumers. If you're a P&S type or an advanced snapshooter, Kodak has a camera that will probably meet your needs and they know how to design it for consumer use. In fact, if anything, Kodak's problem is that they try too hard to make it too simple and, in the process, make it complex.

I've never owned a Kodak camera but I've handled enough to know that they are well designed and easy to use. Within the Kodak line, there are 3 broad categories of cameras: Entry-level, Mid-Range and Advanced Snapshooter.

Entry Level (less than ~$150) are not worthwhile investments. You'd do best to avoid this class.

Most people can find a camera that meets their needs in Mid-Range (~$150-$300) or Advanced (~$300-$500). If photography is not your passion but simply a means to an end, Kodak cameras in these ranges will fit the bill.

Now, for my favorite class - prosumers. There are 3 distinct types of cameras:

SLR-like are cameras that look like an SLR but usually don't have a mirror that "flips" (reflexes) out of the way to allow light to strike the sensor. These are not true SLRs and, sometimes, use EVFs (electronic viewfinders) as opposed to an optical viewfinder in true SLRs. The biggest downside to these cameras is the small(ish) sensor that produces an inferior image. Most use a sensor about half the size of a small finger nail (about 7.2mm x 5.3mm). The smaller the sensor, the smaller the photosites (light collectors). Less light means lower electrical signal which, in turn, results in higher noise (graininess). The more megapixels, the smaller the photosites. so with consumer quality cameras, it's better to go with fewer megapixels and better quality images.

Prosumer digital SLRs - Canon 20D, 30D, XT, XTi, Nikon D50, D80, D70, D200, Sony A100, all Oly E series and Pentax K series are the up-and-coming segment of the digital camera market. All dSLRs use at least an APS-C size sensor (about 22mm x 16mm). There are also a few brands using a standard called Four Thirds (~18mm x13.5mm). These are true SLRs and offer the best image quality but only for people who are willing to take the time and put in the effort to learn how to properly use them. Just like buying a Porsche doesn't qualify you for Le Mans, buying a dSLR doesn't make you a good photographer. Most people find that a good class helps them jump start their dSLR photography.

Canon also offers a few high-end, professional cameras that use a Full Frame sensor (~36mm x 24mm) but these are beyond the scope of this post. These camera bodies generally start around $3000 and have features needed by serious amateurs or professionals such as weather-proofing, ultra-high burst rate (~8fps) and better, faster AF.

In summary, decide what type of shapshooter you are AND what you want to become. Next, decide what type of company you want to deal with and, finally, decide what level of camera you need or want.

Here are some links to digital camera reviews and forums that might help but keep in mind that opinions are like belly-buttons, everyone has one.

DPReview (http://www.dpreview.com/) - One of the biggest but tends to be populated by "gear heads"
Steve's Digicams (http://www.steves-digicams.com/) - One of the oldest but geared towards P&S types
DCResource (http://www.dcresource.com/) - Good solid advice but a 1-man operation that's often late
Imaging Resource (http://www.imaging-resource.com/INDEX.HTM) - I like their "Best Camera for You" guide as a starting point
ConsumercSearch (http://www.consumersearch.com/index.html) - Reviews of reviews that tell which products got good reviews
Fred Miranda (http://www.fredmiranda.com/) - Good solid advice from good photographers and little squabbling
Photo.Net (http://www.photo.net/) - An eclectic collection of photo enthusiasts but can be esoteric
PhotoNotes.org (http://photonotes.org/about/) - Best site for Canon flash info but can be tedious
Luminous Landscape (http://luminous-landscape.com/) - Good advice and info but can be arrogant

If these aren't enough, post a specific request and I probably have one in my list of several hundred URLs.

I hope you don't think I'm pontificating or lecturing. I sincerely hope this info helps people make the right choice in buying a digital camera. Thanks for reading.

[Llist]

Lee

What about the Olympus SP-350. I just bought one a couple months ago and have heard both good things and bad things... do you know of any good websites for the novice photographer to learn how to use the darn thing in anything but auto mode. I haven't been too impressed with the auto mode yet but don't know enough about photography to try the other settings. I've looked at the manual but it was not written for a novice like me. I did test some of them out over the weekend trying to use the manual as a guide but was not very successful. Didn't see much difference in image quality. I'm probably not doing something right... This is the first camera I've had thats not strictly point and shoot... Any direction would be great!!

Laura

[bayhli]

Lee,

Thank you very much for this excellent and thoughtful information.

I've already made my camera purchase in the last few months, but you have confirmed I purchased appropriately for myself. I'll be saving it anyway as a super future reference.

I'm sure this will prove to be very helpful for anyone considering their next camera.

[Tom K]

Lee, Exactly correct, well put and short.. Thanks Tom :D

[lindajay]

Lee, that was such a wonderful summary of camera options! Thank you, and I will keep it. I get asked, frequently, about what digital camera I'd recommend, and now I'll just hand them a copy of your well-thought-out white paper! :)

[LeeOtsubo]

...What about the Olympus SP-350.

The Oly SP-3xx series isn't one of their winners. Bottom line, it's a P&S camera with an interesting but incredibly slow RAW option. There are some generic lessons on the Oly site (http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_tipstricks.asp?Category=1) but you'll probably have to take a paid class where you can ask the instructor specific questions to squeeze out the best performance from that model. Sorry I can't be more help.

[Wags374]

Thanks Lee! Very nicely written.

I'm guessing at this stage in life I probably fall into the "advanced snapshooter" user catagory. I tend to like the cameras that have an option to do some manual adjustments - but most of the time I tend to shoot auto mode.

I've been to several of the review sites you listed - but will check out the others. (I think I tend to over research things sometimes...:rolleyes: ) I'm seriously considering the Kodak Easyshare P712 right now, but will have to see how it fits my hand. I like the fact that it has a hotshoe and I can use a better flash with it. Have you seen it?

[LeeOtsubo]

Lee, that was such a wonderful summary of camera options! Thank you, and I will keep it. I get asked, frequently, about what digital camera I'd recommend, and now I'll just hand them a copy of your well-thought-out white paper! :)

Linda, you must be a geek goddess to use terms like "white paper". :D Thanks for the "atta-boy".

You live near an area I really enjoy for bird photography. I'm hoping to get to Bosque del Apache for the annual sandhill crane migration this year. Of course, I'll be there with 10,000 of my closest photographer friends.:D

[LeeOtsubo]

Thanks Lee! Very nicely written.

I'm guessing at this stage in life I probably fall into the "advanced snapshooter" user catagory...
I'm seriously considering the Kodak Easyshare P712 right now, but will have to see how it fits my hand. I like the fact that it has a hotshoe and I can use a better flash with it. Have you seen it?

Hi Wags, I haven't used a Kodak P712 but, as I noted, most Kodaks are well designed for snapshooters. If you already know enough to know that you want a hot-shoe, you might next research which flashes will fit. Some cameras are designed to only accept flashes from that company. Others will accept "universal" flashes. Be extremely careful about using old flashes you might have lying around from your film days. They often have a very high trigger voltage and can fry your camera. If in doubt, have the guy/gal at the camera store attach it so it's their responsibility if it turns to toast. Good luck.

[LeeOtsubo]

Pat & Tom,
Thanks for reading. I try not to be tedious but sometimes, it takes more than a 2 sentence post to fully answer a question. :)

[Llist]

Lee

I'm sorry to hear that about the SP series but thanks for the information.. It seems to work ok just not as crisp as my old Sony that I sold to help pay for the SP.... I thought I got such a good deal too. Oh well... All the pictures in my gallery were taken with it so its not a complete loss. I use it for scrapbooking and its been decent for that so far....

Thanks again

Laura

[Bob_Benner]

Great thread Lee, thanks for posting it. Right now I am looking into getting a new camera. I am currently using a Canon A620 and have been thinking about getting a DSLR (Nikon D50). However, due to the price of lenses and everything else I don't think a DSLR is an option right now. I might go with the Sony DSC-R1. It seems to have a really good lens, produces nice images and the sensor is is much larger and closer to a DSLR than any other advanced digital camera. I am leaning towards this option due to the fact that the fixed lens on this camera will cover almost all my needs right off the bat, where as if i were to get the D50, it would cost me a whole lot more to get what I would need. I know the image quality will not be as sharp as the D50's and noise levels will be a little higher, but I have seen many sample pics from the DSC-R1 and images are very, very nice. Do you have any first hand experience with this Sony model, or know of anyone that does? I have read a few reviews and they all seem to be good. I am in no hurry to make my decision, although I would like to make it within the next wek or so. Any extra info you might be able to provide on this model would be great. Thanks Lee

[LeeOtsubo]

Lee

I'm sorry to hear that about the SP series but thanks for the information.. It seems to work ok just not as crisp as my old Sony that I sold to help pay for the SP.... I thought I got such a good deal too. Oh well... All the pictures in my gallery were taken with it so its not a complete loss. I use it for scrapbooking and its been decent for that so far....

Thanks again

Laura

Just because a camera wasn't a winner in the market doesn't mean it is a bad camera. It means there aren't as many reviews or as much information as the more popular cameras.

The Oly SP-350 was among a crop of 8 megapixel cameras that made people to realize that more megapixels didn't necessarily mean better photos. You'll notice there aren't many 9MP cameras because companies lost their shirts on 8MP cameras and had to go back to the drawing board to find features that people were willing to pay for.

The sensor in a SP-350 is a standard 1/1.8" CCD, about 38 square mm. That size was first used in 2 & 3 MP cameras. When you cram in 8 million photosites (light detectors), something has to give. In most cases, image quality deteriorates. That's one reason why the 8MP Oly is less crisp than your older Sony which probably had fewer megapixels. In consumer quality cameras with 1/1.8" sensors, 5-6MP is about the max for high quality images.

My recommendation is to use the heck out of the camera to learn everything you can about digital and keep this in mind when you upgrade in the future. Sorry I gave you the impression it is a bad camera.

[OFD678]

What do you think of Kenrockwell.com (http://kenrockwell.com/)reviews?

Isn't he from you area?

Thanks for the details

Brent

[LeeOtsubo]

Great thread Lee, thanks for posting it. Right now I am looking into getting a new camera. I am currently using a Canon A620 and have been thinking about getting a DSLR (Nikon D50)...
Any extra info you might be able to provide on this model would be great.

First a disclaimer: I'm not a Sony fan. After the root kit fiasco last year and now the laptop battery disaster, I feel Sony has lost their edge and worse, I don't trust them anymore.

I wouldn't pay $700 for a DSC-R1. You can buy a Nikon D50 with the 18-55 kit lens (an excellent lens) for $700 and have the flexibility to add lenses in the future. Most shapshooters don't need more than 2-3 lenses at a maximum and most don't need any extra lenses until they develop a shooting style that dictates zooms vs primes vs tele vs wide. Just my US$0.02 worth.

[Llist]

Lee

Thanks again.. I don't think its a bad camera.. just not as good a deal as I had thought... I've been using it more and more lately and will probably use it till it starts smoking :) Next time I'll just realize that more megapixels don't necessarily mean a better camera and to do more research before purchasing. I really appreciate the info!!

Laura

[LeeOtsubo]

What do you think of Kenrockwell.com (http://kenrockwell.com/)reviews?

Brent

I think Rockwell is a Nikon bigot and it would break his face to say something positive about any other brand. He makes some good points but he has also said things that I find suspect. He may have changed since I last visited his site so form your own opinion. The Internet is an interesting place, be wary of anyone who takes a strong position on any brand or model, including me. :D

[Bob_Benner]

First a disclaimer: I'm not a Sony fan. After the root kit fiasco last year and now the laptop battery disaster, I feel Sony has lost their edge and worse, I don't trust them anymore.

I wouldn't pay $700 for a DSC-R1. You can buy a Nikon D50 with the 18-55 kit lens (an excellent lens) for $700 and have the flexibility to add lenses in the future. Most shapshooters don't need more than 2-3 lenses at a maximum and most don't need any extra lenses until they develop a shooting style that dictates zooms vs primes vs tele vs wide. Just my US$0.02 worth.

Thanks Lee. If I go the D50 route with the 18-55 kit lens, what macro lens would you recomend in the future. I love taking macro shots of flowers, leaves, insects (grasshopers, lady bugs, spiders, etc). Can I get good close up shots with the 18-55?

[LeeOtsubo]

Thanks Lee. If I go the D50 route with the 18-55 kit lens, what macro lens would you recomend in the future. I love taking macro shots of flowers, leaves, insects (grasshopers, lady bugs, spiders, etc). Can I get good close up shots with the 18-55?

There are many macros lens choices for Nikon. Go to B&H Photo (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=search&Q=&b=2&a=695_6144&mnp=0.0&mxp=0.0&cmpsrch=&cltp=&clsgr=&shs=&ci=8456&ac=&Submit.x=7&Submit.y=9) and check out their selections. You should also look at Sigma and Tamron lenses. I recommend ~100mm for everyday macros and ~150-180 for bugs and critters.

You can also start with extension tubes (~$120) and use your 18-55 for great macros. Another less popular route is macro diopters that are screwed onto the front of the 18-55. I regularly use extension tubes with a Canon 100/f2.8 macro.

[Shari]

Lee, thank you so so much for this information. I, like Linda am printing it. When I got into the camera world about a year and a half ago I bought a Fuji finepix because it was on sale and I liked it for the pocket. It does take great photos on auto but I got to where I wanted a larger zoom. I now have the Fuji S5200 and love it. Love the feel of holding the camera and the quality of photos is perfect for ME. I am taking 14 hours of 'beyond automatic' camera course in November. I hope this will help my understanding. After I know more about the features of the camera I am sure I will be wanting something else so I will be reading your post again and checking out the websites. I have found if you buy just after a new model has come out - the price is more than right! I also read an article about good photography being in the eye of the shooter and not in the expensive equipment - and I tend to agree. Thanks again for taking the time to post all that valuable information.
Shari

[kimh]

Lee, you are so nice to give so much advice. After much research and searching many reviews I am going to order my new camera and lens tomorrow or Wednesday. Your advice is very helpful.
Kimh

[LeeOtsubo]

Lee, thank you so so much for this information...
I also read an article about good photography being in the eye of the shooter and not in the expensive equipment - and I tend to agree. Thanks again for taking the time to post all that valuable information.
Shari

Photography is all about the eye. Several years ago, I led a photo Workshop group to the Tour de France. Some of the best photos were taken by a woman using disposable B&W cameras. She had an eye that I'd give my right arm to have.

it's interesting that you're taking a class called, "Beyond Automatic". I also teach a class via the Internet called, "Beyond Auto Mode". It's one of my most popular classes. I use Webcasting to teach my classes so people in far-away places can attend. Students like the fact that it's a live class with me on the opposite end of their Internet connection, answering their questions in "real-time".

[OFD678]

I really do llike it when people truly say what they believe. Need more honesty like that.

Thanks
Brent

[Shari]

That is too bad Lee. I would have taken your course. I have already paid over $100. for this course and I don't think I can get a refund. If I learn and enjoy like I am hoping I will check out your courses for the next one. My problem these days is retaining the information in my head. I was hoping with a hands on class that I would remember more. I only wish digital photography, elements, photoshop etc. etc. had been around years ago when my brain was at its best! I do envy children learning photography in school these days. I am going to check your web site now Lee.
Shari

[LeeOtsubo]

That is too bad Lee. I would have taken your course...
Shari

I wasn't trying to get you to sign up for my class but rather more curious as to who was conducting your class. I suppose "Beyond Auto Mode" isn't a particularly original title but I've been using that for the past 2 years and wondered if it might be someone I know.

I reviewed your gallery. The effects and treatments aren't my style but I can see the quality of the underlying photos. You have a good eye. Do you have a site with original photos? I'd be curious to see what they looked like before you added the effects.

[Bob_Benner]

Hi Lee. I decided on what to do about which camera to get. For now I am going to stick with my canon powershot A620 and learn it inside and out. I am mainly using the manual controls so that I can learn different settings and such. I surprise myself sometimes by how good a picture this camera can actually take when set up properly. Do you have any experience with this type of camera, and any experience with say, the wide angle conversion lenses for them? I think I am going to order a wide converter and a macro converter and use the heck out of it. Maybe in a few months or so I will be ready for a Nikon D50. I had to leave behind the thought of buying one for now because we are looking to move soon so I need to save the money. Your experience and advice here is greatly appreciated. I am goingt to check your website out right now and take a look at the classes you offer.

[Tracker]

Lee, thanks very much for the overview. Now, what is the perfect camera?!?
LOL.
I'll go from my Minolta 7000i and Nikon 995 3.3 MP to some dSLR in the next 30 days. First I was going for a D200 , but reading stuff convinced me
that it wasn't the best in "auto" without a lot of fiddling. Next is the fight between the Canon 30D and the Nikon D80. From what I can read the Canon
does better at high ISO but Nikon might have a "better" acessory line.
Most of my pics will be auto racing, landscape, animals. Not portraits.
I am about 90 days into the fix the pic thing ( 3 tuts from here plus two from Eclectic and signed up for 3 more eclectic in November). Just moved into CS2 from PHE4. Improving RAM to 2.5GIG. Bought Corel Painter IX.5 and Wacom 9X12 tablet.
Of course as most of the experts will rightly point out, the lense(s) are
as or more important than the body, both of which are less important than the person pushing the button(s).
While considering the D200 I was thinking about the VRII zooms. If I go Canon ( in the lead now) I will go with "L" series IS so as not to be trapped
into "s" not fitting other sensor sizes. I use a tripod every time I can ( these old hands are the devils workshake---pretty good I just made that up !).
I know there is no perfect lense. But given what I have told you, any guidance for choices of two lenses to cover up to about 300mm ( after muliplier factor would be appreciated) I do like close up wide angle flowers also. Not TOO much to ask for huh!!( okay maybe 3 lenses):D :D :D

Tracker

[Tracker]

Oh, I forgot to add. Does it make anysense anytime to take film pictures and convert to digital?? Let's say I have a better prime lense for my film camera. How does one convert? Do you lose a lot of detail??

[kimi_boo]

I'll add some input into this thread.:) I am looking at the Nikon D80 with the new 18-135 lens. I would have already ordered it but would like to hold one in my hands before I buy. No one here has one. (problem:( )

Anyone that has one I would love some feedback.:p

My other question is...
Looking over the accessories, they want a lot of money for a UV filter. Now I have had a SLR for years, I always kept a filter over my lens but I sure don't remember paying that much for a filter. How much should a plain UV filter cost?

[kimh]

Kimi, I finally went to a camera store and put my 'hands on' a few. I had originally decided on the Canon Xti but after actually having hands on I am going with the Nikon D80. I am so excited to order but I have been in such a 'lens dilemma'. I have read so many reviews, articles etc. I am not very knowledgable about all the lingo but want a pretty much an all purpose (no such thing I know) lens. Just don't want to switch out lenses all the time. Finally!!....I have come up with the Nikon 18-200 VR lens. Hope it will be okay for my needs. Anyone know of any reason why not this lens?
I am ready to order but today will be OOT for an appt. so will probably be tomorrow....I can't wait:D
Kimh

[kimi_boo]

Kim... did you find it fit in your hands? I don't want something that is too big for my fingers to easily manipulate the buttons. :p

Send me a PM after you ordered and let me know where you bought from. I know I am excited... I am so happy for you.:D

[LeeOtsubo]

...For now I am going to stick with my canon powershot A620 and learn it inside and out. I am mainly using the manual controls so that I can learn different settings and such. ...Do you have any experience with this type of camera, and any experience with say, the wide angle conversion lenses for them? ...I am goingt to check your website out right now and take a look at the classes you offer.

Bob,
Digital cameras are like busses, if you miss one, another will be by shortly. There's no reason to make a rushed decision, especially if you have one now that works and does mostly what you want. I think you've made an excellent decision.

I've handled many students' A620s but have never owned one. The Canon accessoriy lenses are quite good but, if you plan to replace it within the next year, you might consider less expensive Raynox or other 3rd party lenses from places like Adorama (http://www.adorama.com/Search-Results.tpl?page=searchresults&searchinfo=raynox).

Good luck with your move and your photography.

[LeeOtsubo]

Lee, thanks very much for the overview. Now, what is the perfect camera?!?
LOL.
From what I can read the Canon does better at high ISO but Nikon might have a "better" acessory line.
...Most of my pics will be auto racing, landscape, animals. Not portraits.
...While considering the D200 I was thinking about the VRII zooms. If I go Canon ( in the lead now) I will go with "L" series IS so as not to be trapped
into "s" not fitting other sensor sizes. I use a tripod every time I can ( these old hands are the devils workshake---pretty good I just made that up !).
...I know there is no perfect lense. But given what I have told you, any guidance for choices of two lenses to cover up to about 300mm ( after muliplier factor would be appreciated) I do like close up wide angle flowers also. Not TOO much to ask for huh!!( okay maybe 3 lenses):D :D :D

Tracker

In my opinion, the main difference between Canon and Nikon are the ergonomics and low light ability. Nikon has better ergonomics in that the controls are laid out in a more "intuitive" fashion while Canon requires you to push, pull, tug and fiddle more. But, Canon produces better images at ISO 1600 and 3200 whereas Nikon seems to top out at ISO800. This is relative to each person's standards so it may not be the same for everyone.

Canon also uses a stronger anti-aliasing filter in front of the sensor that causes every image to look a bit soft. Almost every Canon image can benefit from USM in post. Nikon uses a weaker AA filter which results in sharper out of camera images but that can create havoc with moire. Moire is nearly impossible to fix in post.

VR, IS, AS, whatever they call it, is good for static images. It won't do anything for moving objects like motor sports, basketball or flying birds unless you have Canon 3rd generation IS with Mode I and II. Mode II is designed to stabilize vertical movement during panning but it takes practice and skill to use. The cheapest Canon L lens with Mode II is the 100-400L which costs ~$1400.

For a 2 lens L solution up to 300mm (after considering crop factor) I'd recommend the Canon 17-40/4L (~$700) and Canon 70-200/4L (~$600). That covers 27-64 and 112-320. Both are among Canon's best values and deliver excellent image quality.If you want to plug the gap, a 50/1.8 (~$70) is an excellent lens, I always have one in my bag for low light situations.

For a non-L solution, I'd recommend the 70-300/4-5.6 IS which has Mode II but not ring-style USM. This lens uses the older, slower micro-motor USM which doesn't offer FTM (full time manual focus).

[LeeOtsubo]

Oh, I forgot to add. Does it make anysense anytime to take film pictures and convert to digital?? Let's say I have a better prime lense for my film camera. How does one convert? Do you lose a lot of detail??

There are copystands to do this. The highest resolution will be from a drum scan but that means your oriignal print has to contain all the fine details you want. For most day-to-day copying of existing prints to digital, just about any digital camera will do the trick. I actually teach a method in my classes for using a Tupperware container to make a copy stand.

[LeeOtsubo]

My other question is...
Looking over the accessories, they want a lot of money for a UV filter. Now I have had a SLR for years, I always kept a filter over my lens but I sure don't remember paying that much for a filter. How much should a plain UV filter cost?

UV filters are a matter of personal preference. I rarely use one because I subscribe to the theory that adding extra glass in front of a high quality lens only degrades the image. The lens hood offers enough protection for the front element. The only times I use one is in salt spray (near the ocean) or in mud condition (cyclocross, motocross, mud wrestling night at the local bar...):D

If you're going to use an UV filter, buy the best quality multicoated filter to prevent warps, flare, distortion or other sorts of optical anomalies. These can cost from $50-$200 each. Here's a good on-line store (http://www.2filters.com/). My US$0.02 worth.

[ktnoon60]

Lee, this thread makes for an interesting read, its wonderful of you to share your knowledge. I was wondering which camera(s) you own, and what you like best about them and what you dislike or would change? Thanks

Terry

[LeeOtsubo]

Lee, this thread makes for an interesting read, its wonderful of you to share your knowledge. I was wondering which camera(s) you own, and what you like best about them and what you dislike or would change? Thanks

Terry

Terry,
This a pretty broad question. I'll skip the various film systems I own with the exception of the Pentax Spotmatic which was my first "real" camera. I bought that in 1967 as a young GI and carried it everywhere including Vietnam. I wanted to be the next Larry Burrows (except for his unfortunate demise).

I got into dSLRs with a Canon 10D and upgraded to the 20D. I still use both and it just depends on which I happen to grab at the moment. The only time I make a conscious decision to select one or the other is if I need 5fps burst (20D) or quiet operation (10D). For lenses, I buy all Canon because I don't want potential future incompatibility hassles although some Sigma lenses have tempted me. Currently, my lenses include 17-40/4L, 50/1.8, 70-200/4L, 28-135IS, 70-200/2.8L, 100-400L, 100/2.8 macro, 1.4TC. You'll notice I only own 2 lenses with IS because my style doesn't really require IS.

I really don't see too much difference between the two bodies except slightly faster and more accurate AF on the 20D. Bottom line, to me, a camera is a tool and doesn't really impact my photography much once I learn the idiosyncracies of each system. In my classes, I welcome students to stay and talk about photography but I warn them that I'm not interested in gear. The only exception is when someone occasionally tries to impress me with their geekiness. I'll go into my engineering professor mode and play,"Techier than thou". :D Hope that answers your questions.

[Dee H.]

I like the feel of both the Cannon and Nikon. My biggest reason for wanting the Nikon is the memory card matches what I already have. I dont have any Nikon or Cannon lenses on had to sway me, But I assume after you buy one of those cameras, and invest considerable money in lenses then the choice of which new model to choose becomes easy.
I am finding it hard to give up my super zoom on the Kodak I now own.

[ktnoon60]

Thanks Lee, I was just curious. You seemed to have an unbiased view and point out the good things about most of the camera's and how best to work with them that I wondered what you used yourself.

Terry

[kimi_boo]

well... I did it. :o

I ordered the D80 with the Nikon 18-200 vibration reduction lens. :D
The body will be here shortly the lens is on backorder. I guess I can always stare lovingly at the body. :eek:
Just hoping I have it for Christmas.

[NMarti]

Yeah Kimi! Don't you get a kit lens with it?

[kimi_boo]

Nope... body only. :(
They did have the 18-135 in stock but after reading the reviews I decided to pay a little more and wait for the better lens. I just hope I don't have to wait too long. :eek:

[Marlis Bennett]

I went camera looking the other day and couldn't make up my mind. Presently I've got the Canon G2, love the photos it takes, have learned to use all it's features and love the swivel screen. So why do I want a new camera? I need one that takes faster pictures, I now have a 2 yr old granddaughter with another on the way and I'm tired of the lag.
So I looked at the new G7, hate the loss of raw files and the swivel screen, love the flexibility to shoot as I want, and it has a lithium battery that will hold up to lots of pictures.
Looked at the 640 with it's swivel screen and basically the same technology except the it doesn't have image stabilizing but thusly has a faster lens. Drawback are the AA batteries.
Does anybody have any opinions ;), or suggestions. I will have to change card types but that is not a factor.
I'm glad I found this thread....
marlis

[Bob_Benner]

Bob,
Digital cameras are like busses, if you miss one, another will be by shortly. There's no reason to make a rushed decision, especially if you have one now that works and does mostly what you want. I think you've made an excellent decision.

I've handled many students' A620s but have never owned one. The Canon accessoriy lenses are quite good but, if you plan to replace it within the next year, you might consider less expensive Raynox or other 3rd party lenses from places like Adorama (http://www.adorama.com/Search-Results.tpl?page=searchresults&searchinfo=raynox).

Good luck with your move and your photography.

Thanks Lee. I have a Raynox wideangle converter and lense adapter coming tomorrow. I ordered from lensmate. I will post some pics taken with the lens after it gets here.

[Ward Grant]

... Drawback are the AA batteries...


Have you considered the new NiMH batteries. You can often buy a four pack and charger at a resonable price. I bought some recently for my neice's camera and she has had good luck with them so far.

Here is one link:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/nimh_batteries.html

[Bob_Benner]

I went camera looking the other day and couldn't make up my mind. Presently I've got the Canon G2, love the photos it takes, have learned to use all it's features and love the swivel screen. So why do I want a new camera? I need one that takes faster pictures, I now have a 2 yr old granddaughter with another on the way and I'm tired of the lag.
So I looked at the new G7, hate the loss of raw files and the swivel screen, love the flexibility to shoot as I want, and it has a lithium battery that will hold up to lots of pictures.
Looked at the 640 with it's swivel screen and basically the same technology except the it doesn't have image stabilizing but thusly has a faster lens. Drawback are the AA batteries.
Does anybody have any opinions ;), or suggestions. I will have to change card types but that is not a factor.
I'm glad I found this thread....
marlis


I have a Canon A620 and it uses AA batteries. I use rechargeable energizers for it. I bought the batteries and charger for $16.00. My last canon used a rechargeable lithium and I must say I do not miss it at all. I wish all cameras used AA. I get over 650 shots with the lcd on before I have to recharge my 4 AA's, plus I have an extra set. So if I go out for a long shoot, I can get at least 1300 pictures with 2 sets of batteries. Another nice thing is if your rechargeable AA's die on you, you can always throw a set of regular AA's into your camera to get you buy for the rest of the day. I think AA's are way better than any lithium battrey you can buy. So don't let the fact that your next camera needs AA's, it really is a good thing.

[Bob_Benner]

One more thing. You might want to check out the canon S3 iS (iS stands for image stabilization). It is a great camera for the price. You can pick one up for around $369.00. It also has the swivel LCD.

[Shari]

I reviewed your gallery. The effects and treatments aren't my style but I can see the quality of the underlying photos. You have a good eye. Do you have a site with original photos? I'd be curious to see what they looked like before you added the effects.[/quote]

Thank you Lee. I take that as a compliment. I use the filters because I make greeting cards and like to come up with different images. No I don't have a site with original photos at the moment. The course I am taking is here in Vancouver and called 'Beyond Automatic with your camera' The teacher is Sullivan. I am taking the two days 9 - 4 on two consecutive Saturdays. I will let you know what I think when I am finished. My mind is elsewhere at the moment as we just had news that a good friend of the family was killed in an auto accident last night. Makes me realize how important it is to enjoy every minute that we can. Thanks again.
Shari

[Marlis Bennett]

Hi Bob and Ward,
thanks for the reassurance. I'll check into the other canon S3 IS and compare it to the first two...
I think I dwell too much!
marlis

[Tracker]

Lee,
thanks
for all the great help. I wish I could take some of your classes but the commute is a little long. I have decided on the Canon 30D. Imaging-resource.com is a very helpful site. i intend to see if their aponsors have
the camera and a couple of your lense suggestions in stock. Without getting into the politics of it do you have any thoughts relative to chain stores, online New York etc giants, camera specialty stores etc.

Bill

[LeeOtsubo]

My mind is elsewhere at the moment as we just had news that a good friend of the family was killed in an auto accident last night. Makes me realize how important it is to enjoy every minute that we can. Thanks again.
Shari

After all is said and done, there is nothing more important than friends and family. Sorry for your loss.

[LeeOtsubo]

Lee,
thanks
for all the great help. I wish I could take some of your classes but the commute is a little long. I have decided on the Canon 30D. Imaging-resource.com is a very helpful site. i intend to see if their aponsors have
the camera and a couple of your lense suggestions in stock. Without getting into the politics of it do you have any thoughts relative to chain stores, online New York etc giants, camera specialty stores etc.

Bill

I buy almost all equipment from B&H Photo Video (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/) in New York. There are some specialty items I buy from other places such as 3rd party pigment inks from Mediastreet (http://www.mediastreet.com/) and fine art papers from Mediastreet and Moab Paper (http://www.moabpaper.com). I teach so many people that Mediastreet has set up a discount for my students. Use the code "TDPG" for a 10% discount on all inks, papers and CIS.

My classes are conducted over the Internet so it doesn't matter where you are located. I used to drive about 25,000 miles/year, conducting Workshops all over the Southwest. I finally decided that was a good way to wear myself out prematurely. I've done 45 Webcasts over the past 18 months and have even started teaching Webcasting technology to clubs and organizations that want to reach a wider audience.

[LeeOtsubo]

I went camera looking the other day and couldn't make up my mind. Presently I've got the Canon G2, love the photos it takes, have learned to use all it's features and love the swivel screen. So why do I want a new camera? I need one that takes faster pictures, I now have a 2 yr old granddaughter with another on the way and I'm tired of the lag.
So I looked at the new G7, hate the loss of raw files and the swivel screen, love the flexibility to shoot as I want, and it has a lithium battery that will hold up to lots of pictures.
Looked at the 640 with it's swivel screen and basically the same technology except the it doesn't have image stabilizing but thusly has a faster lens. Drawback are the AA batteries.
Does anybody have any opinions ;), or suggestions. I will have to change card types but that is not a factor.
I'm glad I found this thread....
marlis

As Bob and Ward suggested, the Canon S3 IS might be a good choice for you. Also, the best place on the Web for NiMH (nickel-metal hydride) rechargeable AA batteries is Thomas Distributing (http://www.nimhbattery.com/index.htm). Be sure to buy an appropriate charger at the same time. For 3rd party Li-Ion (lithium ion) camera batteries, I recommend SterlingTek (http://www.sterlingtek.com/index.html). I have about 8 Canon BP-511 replacements from them and they've never given me any problems.

[Tracker]

Hi Lee. The good news is that I will become one of your students ( as soon as I get the camera). The bad news is that I will usually be in the bottom percentile of the "slow" group in the back of the room. If after you experiance my "questions", you feel the need to "expel" me ,I can take the rejection ( but it would be helpful not to post it so everyone can see:o

[kimh]

Lee, I've been checking out your site. Looks like you'll be picking up a few new students from here.
My Camera (Nikon 80D) has finally been ordered:D My lens is back ordered though:( Hopefully it won't be too long. I can't wait to learn about my new camere and get beyond 'auto mode'.
Kimh

[LeeOtsubo]

Hi Lee. The good news is that I will become one of your students ( as soon as I get the camera). The bad news is that I will usually be in the bottom percentile of the "slow" group in the back of the room. If after you experiance my "questions", you feel the need to "expel" me ,I can take the rejection ( but it would be helpful not to post it so everyone can see:o

I've taught so many digital photography students that you'd have to do something spectacularly dumb to surprise me. :D Recently, I had a fellow tell me his new camera was broken and he lost over 100 vacation photos. He had bought the camera just before going on vacation and I helped him set it up so I assumed it had died prematurely.

When he demonstrated the problem, I realized he was confusing the On/Off switch with the shutter release. He would turn on the camera, dutifully wait for the lens to extend, frame the image in the LCD and press the Off switch! When I pointed out that the shutter release was the bigger button next to the On/Off switch, he mumbled that camera manufacturers should clearly mark these things.

I've also had experienced dSLR shooters ask why their camera AF wasn't focusing correctly only to become agitated when I pointed out their lens was set to Manual Focus.

[LeeOtsubo]

Lee, I've been checking out your site. Looks like you'll be picking up a few new students from here.
My Camera (Nikon 80D) has finally been ordered:D My lens is back ordered though:( Hopefully it won't be too long. I can't wait to learn about my new camere and get beyond 'auto mode'.
Kimh

Keep in mind that most zooms go soft at the ends. Try not to use it at 18 or 200 and especially not wide open at the extremes. For example, on my 100-400L, when I zoom out to 400mm, I pull back to about 390 and try to never shoot at 5.6. Of course, it's easier said than done when shooting sports or critters.

Also, in case you have an older Nikon film body, the Nikkor DX lenses are for digital only. Don't try it on a film body. It's really funny when some old film guy says, "Hey, let me slap that puppy on my Nikon" and proceeds to pronounce the lens is broken because it has serious vignetting.

[Soileauj]

Tracker, I just bought a 30D from B&H last week. Living in New York I may have a different opinon of them because I can go into the store. I will tell you I ahve bought 3 cameras from them and they are very service oriented. I think there were a few post of individuals that had ordered online. Their prices are very competive. I would recommend that you at the least consider them.

[kimh]

Lee, as I said I did check out your site. What class would you recommend when I do get my new camera?? I have a broad interest in photograhy--mostly still/wildlife/nature. Definately not wedding photography. Sports as far as my own kids and my softball team but not a special future interest.
Thanks,
Kimh

[Tracker]

(1) Joe, based upon your experiance and others I will order from B&H.
(2) Lee, I'LL ask the same question as Kimh. Which class for me ( if I promise
to learn where the on/off switch is before class!!)
(3) Lee I think I need at least a 2GIG CF card for the 30D. Anyone you particularly like, what about write speed?
(4) Lee does the big black cap at the front of the lense need to be removed before taking pictures:D . Those guys at the camera factory REALLY don't put lables where they should;)

Regards TRACKER

[kimh]

Tracker, Your so funny:rolleyes:
Maybe we'll be classmates:D
Kimh

[NMarti]

Lee
I sent you a PM. Could you please check it and get back to me. Thanks.

[Soileauj]

Kimh and Tracker. I just signed for Monday Nov. 20 & Monday the 27th. Hope to participate with you guys..

[LeeOtsubo]

(1) Joe, based upon your experiance and others I will order from B&H.
(2) Lee, I'LL ask the same question as Kimh. Which class for me ( if I promise
to learn where the on/off switch is before class!!)
(3) Lee I think I need at least a 2GIG CF card for the 30D. Anyone you particularly like, what about write speed?
(4) Lee does the big black cap at the front of the lense need to be removed before taking pictures:D . Those guys at the camera factory REALLY don't put lables where they should;)

Regards TRACKER

1) B&H is good, they're really good if you have a Platinum AmEx card.:D

2) For new dSLR owners, "Digital SLRs for New dSLR Owners" was designed for people just like you. I've taught long enough to know that it's impossible to cover the entire range of topics for everyone. That's why Webcast is so appropriate. I can adjust "on the fly" and target what's important for that particular class, it's not a "canned" presentation. Also, each class is limited to 4 students so everyone gets attention.

3) 2GB is fine for most amateurs but it's better to have 2 cards instead of just 1 big honker. I'd recommend getting 2x1GB or 2x2GB. All your eggs in one basket and that sort of thing...

4) No, never remove that big black cap. It's there to protect your front element and should always stay there. If your friends want to see where you went on vacation, let the cheapskates pay for their own vacations!

I just got a call for a job that needs to be done today (they need a photo I took years ago for an ad next week) and I'm in the middle of getting ready for a show this weekend so I'll be "off the air" for a few days. The best way to make sure questions don't get lost is to either email or PM me. Thanks for your interest.

[Tracker]

Joe, which classes did you sign up for ? Kim, maybe you could pass me the answers during the "final"----don't worry , Lee is gone so he will never go back this far to read your answer:p .
Joe what CF card did you get ? Write speed? CApacity, MFG? Also what lenses did you settle on. I am thinking about going crazy and getting the
EF100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS USM and something else to cover the low end. Did you get the battery holder/grip?? My thoughts on this are ,I am going to be 60 years old . This may be the last camera a buy before I ( you know----------CROAK). So why not go out with a bang ( well okay maybe a click:twisted: ).
I am already signed up for 3 Eclectic classes starting some ( CS2 intro;
Wacom tablet; Corel painter IX.5)---I am Definitely going to have to cheat;)

Tracker

[kimh]

Tracker, I have to sit in the back of the class anyway...so I don't distract everyone. I tend to 'cut-up' but I usually think I'm way funnier than anyone else does (well, the teacher anyway:) )
I am available for class on Tues, Wed, Thurs, or Friday. I work on Sat, Sun, and Monday. Will have to check available classes.
How do you have time for all of those classes:o
Need to run my little one to church, be back in a few.
Ordered my camera and lens yest. Now THAT decision was an ordeal:confused:
Kimh

[Soileauj]

Tracker I signed up for the New Digital SLR User class. I have to do the Monday's.
I had two 1GB cf cards from my Olympus and am now using them with the Canon. I bought the Canon kit with the 18-55 lenses and the (I think-memory loss is dominant here) 70-300 IS lenses as well.

I haven't had a chance to take but 3 pictures with it yet. But I can say there is no comparison between the Olympus & Canon. I do realize they are 2 different worlds and when I compared identical picutres between the 2, the statement about "It's not the number of pixels it's about the quality" sure is true. And the noticable difference between point and shoot and digital as well.

[Tracker]

Thanks for the info Joe. I'll check out the classes. I am going to avoid the
18-55 and buy the body only and add what lenses I want.
Kim, I just sold the last of the Hot Rod & race cars and only have 4 motorcycles left! I MUST increase that inventory!! I am retired so I am too old to chase girls, too cheap to gamble, it is too hot to play golf, I get sea sick so fishing is out and am not into substance abuse ( except fot Key Lime pie ). So I thought that i would (re)learn how to take pictures. Then this new fangaled digital thing reared its' ugly head. Just wait until a serious electromotive episode occurs and the chips don't work!! Back to the BROWNY
Instamatic Camera. I still have my turntable for my records !!
It is going to be fun at the back of the class:D

[kimh]

Hope there is a class I can take. I would imagine we could have some fun:)
I started with my dads old Brownie camera, oh how times have changed:rolleyes:
Kimh

[Tracker]

Kimh, it was unnessary and cruel to say that it was your "fathers" Brownie:twisted: :mad: :D .
Please try to be more sensitive:)

[kimh]

Sorry Tracker, I'll try to be a little more...aware of my word choices:D
I just finished the photo pop class and am signed up for the card making. Can't fit much more in than that. Am going to do one of Lee's classes though if it is not on my work day. I'll be scared doing it in 'real time'.
Kimh

[NMarti]

Tracker - she didn't just say "my dad's brownie" she said "my dad's OLD brownie". :D :D

[Soileauj]

Tracker the only reason I got the 18-55 was because the difference between just the body and the kit was less that $80. I figured since I most like taking shots with the tele lense I'd get the kit and not have to buy wide for just a bit. With Christmas coming I have to have something for the wife to buy. Even though the camera was my anniversary gift.....

[kimh]

Yes, the Brownie was quite old when I found it. They had already gone 'hi tech' with the little instamatics--remember the little flash cubes (literally cubes) that turned as they burned out? My first camera, I think I was 10, I asked for a polaroid (I like instant gratification!) for Christmas. I still have all of those old pictures, carefully labeled:eek: I could not be that organized these days:o
I'd like to hear what is on everyones Christmas list this year. Mine is growing by the hour, I'm always finding a book or something. Usually the high $$$ I have to save my pennys for:rolleyes:
Kimh

[Tracker]

Yea Kim, as Nancy pointed out you even said my dad's OLD Brownie:twisted: :twisted: .
Just fir that you have to buy me something GOOD for Christmas. And Nancy is going to decide what YOU are going to buy for ME.

NEWS_________________NEWS
I just put all my used( NOT OLD) stuff list in an e-mail to B&H for a quote.
I ordered a Canon 30D body; 17-40 f/4L USM ; 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS USM; Vertical grip;2GIG 133x CF card and a few other things:D .
Free 3 day shipping for NAPP members so I upgraded to overnight. I am going to the front door now to wait for the UPS truck. I will probably sleep by the door ( don't you like it when 60 year ( youngs) act like little kids:p

TRACKER

[NMarti]

Kim
I do remember those little cubes - came 3 to a box. My mom still has a working one. Of course - she still has a brownie and about 10 polaroids too. I still have several of the instamatic ones laying around as well as my Minolta with 3 extra lenses from film days, my Sony 717 and a ton of extras for it.

My christmas list:
a 70-200 2.8 IS L series lens.

My reality list:
a 70-200 4.5L lens

My reality - sell my sony 717 with all gadgets and stuff to help pay for either one.:rolleyes:

Hmm..Tracker what's on your list?

[Skywriter]

Speaking of flash cubes and other relics of the photographic past, remember the tiny negatives from those Instamatic film cartridges? They were about the size of a thumbnail. I live in fear of finding a box of prints from those days tucked away in a closet somewhere. As I recall, most of those shots were so out of focus that I can't believe I still shot so many pictures with it.

[jazzfisher]

Lee & All,
Found this thread a little late--busy w/photos.

Lee-I work in Escondido!!!!! :)


I already know my next camera-to-be...the New Pentax K10D---it will be released in the next few weeks. I was going to post a separate thread to see if anyone is interested in buying my Pentax *st DS. IF so or questions, PM me!!! PLease!!!

[kimh]

Tracker, I want to see all that cool stuff you ordered put to use!
There can't be anything left for your Christmas list. :confused:
BTW-If I still had my ex--next year I could claim to be married to a "60" year old:eek: Hey, you brought it up;)
Kimh

[Tracker]

Okay Nancy, since kimh has challenged me. Please Order a LC-5 wireless
controler , sent it to me but put it on Kim's credit card. Thank you Kimh, from
the "old" guy:D

[LeeOtsubo]

Lee & All,
Found this thread a little late--busy w/photos.

Lee-I work in Escondido!!!!! :)


I already know my next camera-to-be...the New Pentax K10D---it will be released in the next few weeks. I was going to post a separate thread to see if anyone is interested in buying my Pentax *st DS. IF so or questions, PM me!!! PLease!!!

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I'm doing something that I'll bet no one on this forum has ever done. I'm between teaching classes so I thought I'd log on via my cell phone. I am connected at 9.6kbps (that's kilobits). If you thought 56kbps dial-up was slow, you should try 9.6. I'll be back "on the air" tomorrow evening.

[Tracker]

Okay Lee, your "homework" assignment is as follows. I am trying to decide between a 24-70L f 2.8 and a 24-105L f/4. I already have a100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS USM and a 17-40 f/4L USM for the Canon 30D. my dilemer is do I go with the faster lens because my others are "slow" or do I go with the longer zoom to make sure I have all ranges covered.
THE LEE FINAL EXAMINE QUESTION: If I am @ 105mm and have a subject exactly filling the frame and am standing 10.5 feet away from it and which to the 70mm how much further in do I have to move to fill the frame with the same subject?? Is it directly proportional ? I could deal with 3.5 feet and would get the 24-70 @ 2.8 ( unless the subect was a tree 30 feet away and the pond with the aligator was in the 20 to 30 foot space-----then we send in LEE :D )

TRACKER

[kimh]

Sounds too much like math:o
Kimh

[Elemobe]

Tracker, you lost me at "....24-70L f2.8....":D

Linda

[Tracker]

Linda, take a left at the stop sign, go 2 miles then it is on the right:D

[LeeOtsubo]

Okay Lee, your "homework" assignment is as follows. I am trying to decide between a 24-70L f 2.8 and a 24-105L f/4. I already have a100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS USM and a 17-40 f/4L USM for the Canon 30D. my dilemer is do I go with the faster lens because my others are "slow" or do I go with the longer zoom to make sure I have all ranges covered.

Without sounding "preachy", you really have to know what you plan to use the lens for before buying a lens. That's not to say I don't buy lenses just because I think it would be cool to own but for the first 2-3 lenses, you need to plan out how it fits into your style and subject matter. (For those who want to know what all the lens numbers and annotations mean, see the definitions at the bottom)

I used to own a EF24-70/2.8L but sold it because I rarely used it and it's a big, heavy lens. I've never owned or used the 24-105/4L because it's too new and I don't need it. In that range, I almost always use my 28-135/3.5-5.6 IS. It's one of Canon's best lens values and is my favorite "walk-around" lens.

There's no reason to cover every range. For example, when I travel, I usually carry the 17-40/4L, 50/1.8 and 70-200/4L w/ a 1.4TC. I've never missed the holes at 40-49 and 51-70.

This morning, while driving back from Sacramento, we stopped near Lodi to look for Sandhill Cranes. Since I hadn't expected to have time to shoot this trip, I didn't take my gear, all I had was my 28-135IS. It was early morning and the fog was pretty heavy so I didn't have high expectations. I was able to capture a shot of 7 cranes in the mist with the barely visible shadows of hundreds more in the background. Technically, it's a lousy shot but, for me, it evokes the magic of the moment. Bottom line, photography is about making a picture with what you have and capturing the essence of what you see. You have to decide which lens meets your needs.[/preach mode=OFF]:D

A short primer on lens notations: When a lens is described as EF24-70/2.8L IS USM, the first numbers indicate focal length or, in the case of zooms, focal length range. So, a 24-70 is a zoom lens that has a range from 24mm at the wide end to 70mm at the telephoto end. The next number is the maximum aperture of the lens or range of apertures. In the above example, 2.8 means the lens has a maximum aperture of 2.8 throughout the focal length range from 24mm to 70mm. If a lens has an aperture range such as 28-135/3.5-5.6, that means the max aperture at the wide (28mm) end is 3.5 (lets in more light) and at the long (135mm) end, it is 5.6 (lets in less light). This is often written as f/2.8 because it is a ratio of focal length to aperture. Here's a good explanation (http://www.uscoles.com/fstop.htm) of aperture and why f/2.8 is larger than f/5.6.

On Canon lenses, you'll often see additional notations such as EF, EF-S, L, IS and USM. "EF" denotes the lens is for the current Electronic Focus lens mount. "EF-S" means the lens is designed for certain dSLRs and will not fit on non-EF-S capable cameras. "L" indicates Canon's top-of-the-line, professional lenses. These are weather-proofed and expensive. "IS" stands for Image Stabilization, Canon's technology for reducing camera shake. IS will help you shoot at a slower shutter speed without blur but doesn't help with subject motion. Don't buy IS thinking it will help "freeze" Timmy on the soccer field. "USM" refers to Canon's Ultra-Sonic Motor, a very fast, quiet AutoFocus system. Be aware that there are 2 versions of USM: micromotor is an older, not so quiet, not so fast version used in consumer (non-L) lenses while ring-style is the newer, faster, quieter and more accurate version used in all L and some consumer lenses. "DO" stands for Diffractive Optics, a very cool technology for cramming a long lens into a short body.

Next time, we'll talk about dSLR crop factor and why an image that looks like it's magnified really isn't.

[Tracker]

Lee=da man
/preach mode on = good
(ps--there is a good explanation of focal length/shot distance on the NAPP site >forum >Digital Camera> Canon vs Nikon)
Huh oh:o ,I don't know if Iam allowed to say "NAPP" in this Elements site:eek:

[kimh]

Lee, that was quite informative. I really appreciate your information. I am very anxious to sign up for one of your classes but waiting on that back ordered lens:o
Kimh

[Bob_Benner]

Hi Lee. I have been reading through Ken Rockwell's web site today and wanted your opinion on something. I was reading his page where he states a great camera does not make or mean a great picture. He states any camera can take a great picture as long as the person taking it sees the shot and has a good eye. What are your opinions on this type of subject. I read that and did some searching and found some great shots that were taken with simple point and shoot cameras like my A620. Any comments would be great.

[Bob_Benner]

One more question. Are there any good wrist straps for point and shoots that you could recomend. The one that came with my A620 just feels like it is going to break off someday, I know it probrably won't, but I still want something that feels more secure and comfortable.

[Wags374]

... any camera can take a great picture as long as the person taking it sees the shot and has a good eye. ...

That phrase didn't origionate with Ken. Many professionals have been saying that for years. (Shoot, my college photography professor used to say that all the time and that was 20 something years ago.) You can have the greatest camera in the world, but if you don't know how to use it, and if you don't have the eye to see the shot - you will still take lousy pictures. Take a look at the video clip "Six Biggest Lies in Digital" over at http://www.nobsphotosuccess.com/ and you will hear them say basically the same thing.

[LeeOtsubo]

As WAGS374 points out, the idea that the photographer is the key has been around for ages. When Ansel Adams led workshops, I've heard, on the first day no one even touched a camera. All the students walked around, looking at various subjects and developing their eye.

Alex majoli (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6468-7844) photographed major stories for Newsweek with an Oly P&S.

When I led a group to the Tour de France in 2004, some of the best photos were taken by a woman using disposable B&W cameras. She has an eye that I would kill to have.

Amateurs concern themselves with gear, pros worry about money and artists think about the light.

Just about any competent camera store will have straps for P&S cameras.

[Bob_Benner]

Thanks Lee. I am really getting into photography and I am looking for things to photograph everywhere I go, my camera stays with me like it is attached to my body. I bought the Raynox 6600 wide converter and a lensmate adapter for my A620 and I have taken som many more shots of buildings and landscape than I ever have since I got it. The only thing I do not like about the adapter is not being able to use the flash due to the shadow of the adapter. I really do not use flash much anymore anyway, except for indoors when taking pics of my 1 year old son. Hope you stay around here for awhile, I find your info and suggestions very helpfull and usefull. I have tried actuall digital forums but there seems to be to many bad attitudes and what not. Thanks again.

[Wags374]

As WAGS374 points out, the idea that the photographer is the key has been around for ages. When Ansel Adams led workshops, I've heard, on the first day no one even touched a camera. All the students walked around, looking at various subjects and developing their eye.
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Both my photography professor and my professor for photojournalism spent at least the first week of class with us walking around WITHOUT cameras, learning to get a feel for how to "express emotion/tell a story" with the camera. The basic foundation of good photography doesn't change regardless of what type of camera you have.

[Bob_Benner]

Thanks Jane for your input. Please have a look at my updated gallery, and give me your opinions on my pics. All pics were just added today.

[Tracker]

I agree that the most important component of the process is the person/eye.
But now in my opinion there is a new component, the after shot Photoshop
fixer skill. Back 30 years ago if you saw a good picture for the most part
(except sometimes dark room work in a few cases) you KNEW the person
had the eye/skill for good composition and worked at or was fortunate to be at the right place at the right time. Now I think if you can get the lens cap off and you are good at the computer you have a better chance of "making"
a good picture. I am not saying this is bad, just different and maybe "progress".
( oh forget it---I am selling all the equipment/computer and getting out the Browie Instamatic---and maybe the flash cube--:D )

[kimh]

Not the good 'ole Brownie:eek:
Kimh

[Tracker]

Yes, the 'ole Brownie ( and I am in Port Orange FL ) so I just might take a picture of you for the Forum crowd!!:D
I got off the fence today and ordered the 28-105L lens and some other fun stuff. Plus I actually got the second monitor set up so now the mouse or my Wacom pen tracks straight across both. All the boxes on the left 17" and the artisy stuff ( other wise refered to as the BIG MESS )on the right 19incher screen.---1400:1 contrast ratio--to bad I can only see about 12:1:D :D

[Ward Grant]

From Brownie cameras to Elements 5, how far we have come:

http://www.pixentral.com/hosted/1PI19A57Xj9s0owCk9wq9TNFARnr90_thumb.jpg (http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1PI19A57Xj9s0owCk9wq9TNFARnr90)

[kimh]

Tracker, I hope you have fun with your new toys! I am still waiting for my lens so I can get busy!
Kimh

[NMarti]

Ward
What a great picture! Nice job with that.

Tracker
Wanna come set mine up like that? :D Wow - I would think I was in heaven with two monitors.

[Tracker]

I'll be over in a couple of minutes to set up your dually. A mouse and a single monitor is sssooooo 2005:D :D .