THE BIG ?

[sandie]

I get pages with a big ? on them in grey and white. It is like it is asking for the picture. HOW DOES IT LOSE TRACK OF PICTURES? Annoying to say the least. I click reconnect and 85% it finds the picture. I would like to avoid that if possible.

[MikeH]

Sandie,

Organizer only loses track of pictures when you do something with them outside of PSE3, like edit, change name, change location...

Mike

[Jodi Frye]

... or breathe on it the wrong way :lol:

Why i don't use organizer...I don't like a program controlling me this way.

[MikeH]

I don't like a program controlling me this way.

Jodi,

...now why doesn't that surprise me :lol:

Mike

[Jodi Frye]

:P

[sandie]

So Jodie, What do you use to choose pictures? the Browse files?
Jodie what do you use for unsharpen mask settings for slightly blurry pictures? Other pictures? I took picture holding camera of flowers in vase and the front ones are ok but the ones just behind or a little blurry, had it on auto and it must have opened up the lens too much.
When printing how do you set for the print usually sRGB or no color control? etc.? Just got a new printer epson 1280. no more press print and out it comes

[Jodi Frye]

Sandie, I don't use the unsharp mask on photos. If it's not clear at 100 % it's trash.

Using XP I just click 'open' and browse my files in thumbnail view. I rarely do much with my photos except print...I do like to add artistic photo tints on occasion or revert to b & w.

As far as Printing goes; the way I do it ; first i set the color settings in Elements to 'full color management' ( under the edit menu ) In preferences under saving files I check 'ignore camera' exif. When i open an image in Elements it then gives me a choice of what to do with the profile and I chose ' Adobe RGB'. In print preview I choose 'more options>full color management,>print space>scroll though the profiles and look for the one I want to use with the paper I'm using and i use 'relative colormetric ...for instance when i'm prining my disc covers I'll choose from print space>' Epson Stylus Photo 1290 360dpi Photo Ink Jet Paper' and then in my printer settings I choose the 'Photo Ink Jet paper ' and set to 360dpi. Then select ' No Color Management'...this is important.
My disc covers come out pretty nice despite the low dpi settings...but the profile works well with it since it was designed for it....and it saves my precious ink ;)

So for you on the 1280 if you were planning to print on Premium glossy photo paper you would choose from the ' print space'>' Epson 1280 Premium Glossy Photo paper' profile from the drop down. Select the same paper in print preferences, 1440 dpi, no color management. I say 1440 dpi cause there is no point in using/buying premium paper and then printing at a low dpi setting....there are cheaper Epson photo papers for that.

OR

select 'printer color management' from drop down and select the settings in the print preferences...which has quite a bit to play/experiment with. I only do this for B & W prints....but everyone has different preferences. Expect to experiment t'il you find a workflow you are comfy/happy with.
I don't have the 1280...I wish...I'm using the 785 epx which also uses Epson 890/1280/1290 profiles....In any case, I'm really really tired at the moment so probably talking in circles ...please come back if you need more help.

[Jodi Frye]

I shoulsd have added...pay no attention to the print preview...it will look pretty saturated and all around awfull...that wont be what actually prints.

[sandie]

Jodie,
Thank you sooo much. I do have some more questions though.
I printed a picture last night following some instructions in Epson book for basic printing.
NOW when you say "when opening in Elements put "adobe RGB" I can open in organizer or Browse but so not see where it asks for adobe RGB.
More options in print preview- not sure where that is so I can follow your route to "full color management" and Print space etc. and then at the end you say "NO colormanagement?
Profiles- is that where it asks type of paper and lists a number or papers? do you load the profiles for each paper you use and if I am mostly going to use Epson paper do I need to put in profile to an epson printer? You said that you choose epson Glossy in the dropdown menu AND in preferences- is that in same screen as the paper drop down menu?
Where is it I choose 1440 dpi, I did not see that choice last night but did want to choose it since I have been told a number of times to choose instead of the higher resolution that does not seem to make a difference except in ink use.
Lot of questions but this is the way we learn and hope you got some sleep.

[Jodi Frye]

Sandie, let's forget about Organizer for now since I'm kind of in a rush......Soooo, In pe3 'Editor';

Toolbar>edit>color settings; set to 'Full color management'.
Toolbar>edit>preferences>'saving files>check ' ignore camera' exif.

Open image in Editor>you should now have a pop up window asking you what to do with the color profile...3 choices;

Leave as Is
Assign Adobe RGB
Assing sRgb

Choose Assign Adobe rgb.

Click 'Print' from file.

You'll see in bottom left ' Show more options'
Your source space should say ' Adobe RGB'
In Print Space>scroll to your printer/paper profile you plan on using. So if you are using Epson Premium Glossy look for Epson Stylus Photo 1280 Premium Glossy.

Then click the 'page set up button'>printer>be sure 1280 is the printer listed>properties.

Under 'main' tab>set to 'color'>media type>select Premium glossy photo paper.
Click Custom>advanced. Now, this is where you should find your settings to change it to 1440 dpi. and select 'no color management'.

The 1280 has a couple of settings that I don't have but uncheck 'high speed, edge smoothing,finest detail' if it's there.

Click Print.


If you aren't using Premium glossy and just 'Epson photo quality paper' ( a girl standing in field on box front) then you would look for that profile and choose that paper in your printer media type properties. You are also safe at printing 720 dpi. with this paper.

So whichever paper you are using...just follow those steps.

And yes, there is a difference beween using 720 and 1440 on Premium paper. The 1440 will be a sharper more color accurate print. This should be saved for 'special' prints. Otherwise the Epson Photo Quality paper at 720 dpi is very very nice as well...perfect for photo albums.

I also use Ilford papers which I'm very happy with.

I have to run !

[Jodi Frye]

I'll give you the steps for using ' Printer Color Management' in Print Space later on today...

[Jodi Frye]

ok, so if you want to try the ' Printer color Management' ...select it from the 'print space' (instead of using a profile)...follow the same steps but instead of choosing 'no color management' in printer properties choose ' color control>gamma 1.8.

I do have a screen shot of 1280 properties bookmarked here somewhere....I'll have to go check and see if you have settings I'm missing but I'm pretty sure you'll be safe with this.

[Jodi Frye]

OK, so here's a screenshot on the advanced screen while using a profile

http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?pic=1I3lonurRydpxHAF22bAB5FrEFeSFy0

Now let's go see if I can find one using printer color management.

[Jodi Frye]

While using 'Printer color management' in print space;

screenshot in 'advanced' screen;

http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?pic=18Y1ojFec3AC4EmctINhxbebqciA0


Ya I don't have the halftoning option...

[sandie]

Jodie,
I followed your instructions but a few problems
when I opend the picture from the browse in editor NO POP UP asks anything about RGB
In print options source space says sRGB without a way to change it that I could see
In print space I could highlight Epson 1280 but there was nothing in there that was anything about paper types but it did have a choice of Adobe RGB 1998 but if I chose that then the Epson 1280 is no longer chosen(1 choice only)
Below print space is INTENT and choices are relative colormetric, perceptual, saturation, or absolute colormetric
I stopped doing the print til I hear from you or someone with what I am to do about getting it to RGB and I have not downloaded any paper profiles so maybe that is why there are none in Print Space?

[sandie]

More infor\ Advanced is not quite the way you showed in your emails
Left side does have the premium glossy paper, color is checked BUT where is says Print Quality -photo 1440 mine just says a choice Fine. Photo, Best Photo or Photo RPM ?????? which one to use for 1440?
There is no HALFTONING and below It defaults to highspeed and I think also finest detail is defaulted
Then on right side I do have what you show under color management.
I could not get to the Advanced the way you outlined but got there.
I am concerned that in Print Options Source mine says sRGB How to change these defaults is beyond me
The print space does not have a way of chosing 1280 and paper at the same screen not sure if it is me and the way I am trying to get there or mine is different? the pictures look ok but I would like to know I am getting the best out of this printer, that is why I bought the 1280.

[Jodi Frye]

Ok so looks like the latest driver was downloaded to your 1280 before you bought it...which has this screen you are referring to (ver 5.2)...which does not give you profiles....grrrr.....
I'm not too darn familiar with with this latest driver ( wish they hadn't of updated that on you )

you can download the profiles from here ( choose the 1290 )...scroll down a bit

http://www.computer-darkroom.com/media_profiles/media_print_1.htm

put profiles here; Windows 2000/XP - copy the profiles to the Windows/system32/spool/drivers/color folder

then right click on profiles>install profile

OK I'll have to get back to you tomorrow on this but tell me what paper you are using now and I'll see what info i can get on the Photo RPM setting. So far I have read conflicting statements...so I'll let you know.
I have very early mornings so now isn't the best time for me to get into any detail....I'll probably just screw things up with my tired rambling...download the profiles for now and install them and hopefully we'll get you printing in Primetime before too long.

[Jodi Frye]

Ok so under the edit menu make sure you have your color setting to 'full color management'

as far as your image being in sRGB...how to change it ? Simple...do a 'save as' from file ..UNcheck the ICC profile where it says sRGB, change the name(so you can locate it easier ) and save as a copy. Close the image and say 'no' to save changes ? dialogue box ( so that you don't overwrite your original ).

Now reopen the image...you should now get the pop up window of the three choices to assign a space...choose the Adobe rgb.

So assuming you have downloaded and installed the profiles in my previous link you should be all set.

note...using the 'relative colormetric' for intent is usually your best bet.

* do turn off highspeed, finest detail...it may default to that but that doesn't signify that this is your best bet for photos. It's meant for text.

At this point I'm assuming that the driver may have a different interface but it boils down to the gutts of the 1280. Stick with ' Best Photo' which is most probably the 1440 dpi...Photo RPM is probably the 2880 setting. Up to you whether or not you want to test this photo rpm out...I wont push you in that direction.

OK so hopefully you'll be all set.

[sandie]

So the website you sent me to said it was for Photoshop 5 and 6 is that ok? Dowloading the profiles is for the paper so I would think it that website is ok?
This is all getting a little confusing, so should I delete the upgraded drivers from my computer and use what was installed by microsoft? If I uninstall the drivers that I downloaded from Epson by going into add/remove and click on Epson, will that also uninstall the Windows drivers for the epson which is not what we want to do, right?
I am going get the picture and try to get it to RGB instead of sRGB but how did that happen?
So in File Edit I have it as "No color management" but in the Printer I want it to be "full color management" is that correct?
Thanks for your help

[sandie]

Sorry, I have it in Edit "FULL Color management" and in printer "NO color management" (had it bacward on last post i think). Epson has confused things on me unfortunately

[Jodi Frye]

no no don't bother unloading/replacing the driver...it's fine...just different...but the same.

Yup the profiles work regardless of the software ...I just sent ya there cause I knew they had them...I downloaded the same 1290 profiles for my 785 epx.

So try to run back through all the previous posts on the step by steps and you should be all set. I'm out alot today so not sure when I'll be back...

[sandie]

Jodie,
Do we know which is which? Which is the 1440 and which is the 2880 and which is the 720? There are four choices now but only used to be 3(above numbers) so I DO NOT WANT TO BE PRINTING IN 2880 and using up gobs of ink. Fine sounds like it would be the 2880 but then again it could be photo RPM or maybe best photo is 2880, you see waht I mean? And where is the HALFTONING? Where is Epson located and I could call them?
I wrote to their tech support but that was useless because they wrote back that 1 it was an issue with Elements 3 and they did not answer the questions of what does fine represent? Photo represent and best photo represent? etc. would love to get this out of the way since I have some things I would like to give as presents this weekend and do not know what the hell I am doing with these unfamiliar settings. WHY FIX SOMETHING THAT AINT BROKE as they say?

[imported_admin]

Sandie,
Looks like you're faced with a standoff....Epson's address and phone number would be listed on their website. And have you tried contacting Adobe support for help as well?

Jodi has been very generous with her time and expertise on this one, but let's free her up to address other users' questions too, okay?

Thanks, and good luck with your printing project!

[sandie]

OK, I have a great resource here at Calumet Photographic and he said this
Fine = 720 Photo is 1440, best photo is 2880 and phot RPM is actually a resolution of 5760. He of course said to use the photo which is the 1440.
So there you have it and I can not thank Jodi enough for the constant support and suggestions which have helped immensely!!!!! I did also saveas and uncheck sRGB. thanks for that too.

[MikeDCambs]

Sandie: I have an Epsom 900 Photo Printer and the quality settings
are:

RPM (Resolution Performance Management) = 5760 dpi, but
is slow and no noticeable improvement over Best Photo.
BEST PHOTO = 2880 dpi
PHOTO = 1440 dpi
FINE = 720 dpi
NORMAL = 360 dpi

I print 90% of my photos at 150mm x 100mm and the PHOTO
setting gives excellent results.

I realise my printer is different to yours but I'm sure the
Quality settings must be the same.

Regards - Mike

[sandie]

Thanks Mike.
That confirms what the man at Calumet said too.
150x100mm is what in inches 30 mm is 12 inches so you are printing HUGE pictures?

[Jodi Frye]

Sorry I was out most of the day yesterday...Sandie, glad you got that all sorted. I would have never guessed that the ' Photo ' settings was 1440 dpi. ...we both learned something on that one. Happy Printing !

[sandie]

Jodi,
I and I would venture to say everyone who reads this forum,know you are SUCH an assett to this board! I can't thank you enough. Through it all I did learn alot and hope others did as well. I now change from sRGB to RGB when saving photos. I was also told to save from the JPEG to PHOTSHOP so that you will not lose anything when you open pictures often which will happen in the JPEG. TIFF is too huge to save in and taking in TIFF takes up 13 or more megabytes per picture so not many pictures and you are out of space on the memory card so now I take in high JPEG and then save on computer in Photoshop and in RGB.\
Jodi, any idea why it defaults to save pictures in sRGB?
Thanks again.
Sandie

[Jodi Frye]

Sandie, sRGB is the exif color space your camera is using....as most digital cameras do. Some are fortunate enough to have an Adobe rgb exif color space save setting on their camera....not me.

If you plan on burning special images to disc I would convert to tiff format ( those that you have edited in psd photoshop)..psd is a Photoshop only format and may not be compatible to you at some point down the road...things happen, things change...the world changes...30 years from now you may have completely forgotten about photoshop...and not have any software for it anymore ...or Adobe might go Belly up and psd format would be lost forever (god forbid and not bloody likely)...so when burning to disc either use tiff or jpeg...jpeg is fine if you don't ever intend to edit the image again and ya want it for safe keeping (without having all the added kb's of Tiff)...up to you.

I'm glad i was able to help. Today I will spend the day outside enjoying the taste of spring. Carry on...;)